Everyone I meet who has a MacBook Air loves them. I agree with Daring Fireball that Apple might have a hit on its hands, but it’ll take a while to happen. More people need to see it face-to-face. Ponzi, Chris Pirillo’s wife, is over here with hers and now I think there are two of them in our future. Sigh. Steve Jobs wins again.
Yesterday I was at the Metaverse Summit where Mitch Kapor was passing his around. Notice the smiles as people pick it up for the first time.
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I think I may get one for my wife after the first revision (maybe the price will drop as well). Mostly for money reasons.
I saw one in an Apple Store and absolutely loved it. I could care less that it has no ethernet port (I never use one, everyone/everywhere has wireless) or you have to purchase a Superdrive separately (I don’t use one enough to worry about it, I use flash drives and the internet far more often to transfer files).
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I think I may get one for my wife after the first revision (maybe the price will drop as well). Mostly for money reasons.
I saw one in an Apple Store and absolutely loved it. I could care less that it has no ethernet port (I never use one, everyone/everywhere has wireless) or you have to purchase a Superdrive separately (I don’t use one enough to worry about it, I use flash drives and the internet far more often to transfer files).
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I’d much rather have a laptop for its functionality rather than its “look at me” factor.
Lenovo x300 is the only way to go
http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/15/lenovo-x300-vs-apple-macbook-air/
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I’d much rather have a laptop for its functionality rather than its “look at me” factor.
Lenovo x300 is the only way to go
http://www.engadget.com/2008/02/15/lenovo-x300-vs-apple-macbook-air/
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I’ll chime in as an Air owner that loves the product. I didn’t opt for the SSD as I only had around $2,000 saved for a new laptop and didn’t want to wait beyond the month or so I did for MacWorld’s inevitable product updates. I was looking at getting a MacBook Pro for the nice screen and backlit keyboard (as a film studies major, I spend a lot of time in dark rooms).
The Air was replacing my three year old Dell 600m. It had done a great job through the years but was starting to show signs of age. The top of the screen would flicker occassionally and when it would switch between the primary and secondary battery (in place of a CD-ROM drive I rarely used), Windows would drop to standby without even a warning. Turning the power button on would bring it back up but it was aggrivating when trying to take notes for class.
So when the Air was announced at MacWorld (I was following the liveblog), I was a tiny bit skeptical. As soon as Apple’s site came up I started reading about it and realized it was exactly what I needed! Less weight (more than half my old laptop’s) and thickness to take up room in my messenger bag, backlit keyboard, great screen and best of all — no extras that I didn’t have use for. I don’t need an optical drive, I only plug in a flash drive now and again, have no FireWire devices and it can still display on an external monitor for presentations.
That being said, I know it’s not the laptop for everybody. A lot of people have use for a laptop with multiple ports, removable battery (I’ve never been bitten by this issue and I’ve had eight iPods, counting my touch) and optical drive. Mac makes those too, as people seem to forget when discussing the Air. Lonovo just came out with a stellar business-class X series ultraportable. The guesstimate price of $2,700 for the low end seems a bit much to me and I hope they lower it. Sony’s ultraportable is passable as well for the people that need those particular features.
Ever since I opened the box and took out my Air, I’ve known that Apple has something great on its hands. It’s like having my first iPod (well, almost).
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I’ll chime in as an Air owner that loves the product. I didn’t opt for the SSD as I only had around $2,000 saved for a new laptop and didn’t want to wait beyond the month or so I did for MacWorld’s inevitable product updates. I was looking at getting a MacBook Pro for the nice screen and backlit keyboard (as a film studies major, I spend a lot of time in dark rooms).
The Air was replacing my three year old Dell 600m. It had done a great job through the years but was starting to show signs of age. The top of the screen would flicker occassionally and when it would switch between the primary and secondary battery (in place of a CD-ROM drive I rarely used), Windows would drop to standby without even a warning. Turning the power button on would bring it back up but it was aggrivating when trying to take notes for class.
So when the Air was announced at MacWorld (I was following the liveblog), I was a tiny bit skeptical. As soon as Apple’s site came up I started reading about it and realized it was exactly what I needed! Less weight (more than half my old laptop’s) and thickness to take up room in my messenger bag, backlit keyboard, great screen and best of all — no extras that I didn’t have use for. I don’t need an optical drive, I only plug in a flash drive now and again, have no FireWire devices and it can still display on an external monitor for presentations.
That being said, I know it’s not the laptop for everybody. A lot of people have use for a laptop with multiple ports, removable battery (I’ve never been bitten by this issue and I’ve had eight iPods, counting my touch) and optical drive. Mac makes those too, as people seem to forget when discussing the Air. Lonovo just came out with a stellar business-class X series ultraportable. The guesstimate price of $2,700 for the low end seems a bit much to me and I hope they lower it. Sony’s ultraportable is passable as well for the people that need those particular features.
Ever since I opened the box and took out my Air, I’ve known that Apple has something great on its hands. It’s like having my first iPod (well, almost).
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Lenovo x300:::) that another joke by Engadget.
It’s slower, heavier, thicker, having less RAM, being made of cheap plastic, more expensive (base models), uglier, but oh, it has an optical drive.
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Lenovo x300:::) that another joke by Engadget.
It’s slower, heavier, thicker, having less RAM, being made of cheap plastic, more expensive (base models), uglier, but oh, it has an optical drive.
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@ Look.C
So True, Engadget started with the “Air Attack”…i have a very reliable source that can confirm that Ryan Block is insanely unhappy with apple treating him like he is…Air;)
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@ Look.C
So True, Engadget started with the “Air Attack”…i have a very reliable source that can confirm that Ryan Block is insanely unhappy with apple treating him like he is…Air;)
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Lenovo x300 = slower, heavier, thicker, having less RAM, being made of cheap plastic, more expensive (base models), uglier, but oh, it has an optical drive.
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Lenovo x300 = slower, heavier, thicker, having less RAM, being made of cheap plastic, more expensive (base models), uglier, but oh, it has an optical drive.
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I’ve never understood why I would want to purchase a Macbook Air? Its lacking so many things that I need or my wife would need.
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I’ve never understood why I would want to purchase a Macbook Air? Its lacking so many things that I need or my wife would need.
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A hit? blink…blink…
(waiting for punch line)
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A hit? blink…blink…
(waiting for punch line)
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There are lot of references comparing the MacBookAir and the iPod – so does this computer fit an in between gap that people have been needing? Over at Signal vs Noise they are raving about the MacBook Air as a legit stand alone laptop – but because the requirements and features for laptops are being replace with wifi and flash drives (thumb drives).
I would still like to see some “sync” software that helps a MacBook Air connect with a “Main” computer and update it with the most recent work content, much like people are managing the media content on their iPhones.
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There are lot of references comparing the MacBookAir and the iPod – so does this computer fit an in between gap that people have been needing? Over at Signal vs Noise they are raving about the MacBook Air as a legit stand alone laptop – but because the requirements and features for laptops are being replace with wifi and flash drives (thumb drives).
I would still like to see some “sync” software that helps a MacBook Air connect with a “Main” computer and update it with the most recent work content, much like people are managing the media content on their iPhones.
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Meh. I’m still tring to like it. But haen’t found anything close to a logical reason for it to be my primary Mac.
And well, at the price, it’s not even close to my secondary one either. But hey, granted, I don’t rub elbows with this “A” crowd. Not even close.
The MBA is… fantastic to look at. A few years ahead of the times. Adequate (but slow) in many departments… and yes, fits in a manila envelope.
Or – it just ain’t for me. An “A” lister? Or his wife? I can see it.
Give me rev 3.
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Meh. I’m still tring to like it. But haen’t found anything close to a logical reason for it to be my primary Mac.
And well, at the price, it’s not even close to my secondary one either. But hey, granted, I don’t rub elbows with this “A” crowd. Not even close.
The MBA is… fantastic to look at. A few years ahead of the times. Adequate (but slow) in many departments… and yes, fits in a manila envelope.
Or – it just ain’t for me. An “A” lister? Or his wife? I can see it.
Give me rev 3.
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hey Robert, I loved mine until I realized if you leave it at night in sleep mode the battery gets half empty (I have the SSD) and up to now I never reached more than two hours up time there must be something wrong.
Everything else I love but the battery time if totally disappointing and to say the truth annoying. I hope that is a problem with mine that I can get fixed…
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hey Robert, I loved mine until I realized if you leave it at night in sleep mode the battery gets half empty (I have the SSD) and up to now I never reached more than two hours up time there must be something wrong.
Everything else I love but the battery time if totally disappointing and to say the truth annoying. I hope that is a problem with mine that I can get fixed…
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I sold my MacBook Pro and bought a MacBook Air and I don’t regret it one bit-absolutely love it! I also own an iMac, so this is definitely my secondary and it’s perfect for that.
My other half swore that she was perfectly happy with her Macbook…was being the operative word here. Next thing I know she’s asking me to Ebay her Macbook. Got her MBA yesterday and so now it’s finally happened-we have matching Apple’s!
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I sold my MacBook Pro and bought a MacBook Air and I don’t regret it one bit-absolutely love it! I also own an iMac, so this is definitely my secondary and it’s perfect for that.
My other half swore that she was perfectly happy with her Macbook…was being the operative word here. Next thing I know she’s asking me to Ebay her Macbook. Got her MBA yesterday and so now it’s finally happened-we have matching Apple’s!
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While the MBA is not for me (I’m too hooked on my 17″ MBP) I did have the opportunity to play with one for a day and I have to admit it is an exceptional design. The things I noticed aside from great build quality and feel was how cool the machine stayed despite the constant usage. Also, the WIFI reception seems far stronger on the MBA over the MBP and the Thinkpad we were trundling around. I could reliably get twice the signal strength in a very active area. For us, the battery was consistently hit 3.5 hours off a charge….(my old ibook used to get close to 5 hours) but the trade off is the screen on the MBA looks really good even in outdoor light. There are compromises but I think Apple made the right choices…Except they should bundle the ethernet and modem dongle with the MBA w/ no extra charge.
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While the MBA is not for me (I’m too hooked on my 17″ MBP) I did have the opportunity to play with one for a day and I have to admit it is an exceptional design. The things I noticed aside from great build quality and feel was how cool the machine stayed despite the constant usage. Also, the WIFI reception seems far stronger on the MBA over the MBP and the Thinkpad we were trundling around. I could reliably get twice the signal strength in a very active area. For us, the battery was consistently hit 3.5 hours off a charge….(my old ibook used to get close to 5 hours) but the trade off is the screen on the MBA looks really good even in outdoor light. There are compromises but I think Apple made the right choices…Except they should bundle the ethernet and modem dongle with the MBA w/ no extra charge.
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I still love the Panasonic Toughbooks. Something sexy about an armored laptop.
The MacBook Air is sexy, too, but man, that thing is flimsy. Aluminum or not, I wouldn’t want to drop it or bang into a counter corner.
Within the next few years, there won’t even be optical drives on laptops or likely even ports of any kind. It’ll all be wireless or some bluetooth-like protocol.
We have come a long way in the last 10 years…
Just imagine what our kids will grow up to see.
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I still love the Panasonic Toughbooks. Something sexy about an armored laptop.
The MacBook Air is sexy, too, but man, that thing is flimsy. Aluminum or not, I wouldn’t want to drop it or bang into a counter corner.
Within the next few years, there won’t even be optical drives on laptops or likely even ports of any kind. It’ll all be wireless or some bluetooth-like protocol.
We have come a long way in the last 10 years…
Just imagine what our kids will grow up to see.
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@Wreck I disagree the MacBook Air is Apple’s most solid laptop I would much rather throw that thing around then a Macbook or MacBook Pro. Of course you cannot really compare it to a ToughBook.
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@Wreck I disagree the MacBook Air is Apple’s most solid laptop I would much rather throw that thing around then a Macbook or MacBook Pro. Of course you cannot really compare it to a ToughBook.
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I saw one yesterday and while I’m not going to buy one, I was very impressed with it. It feels really nice, strong, and well made.
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I saw one yesterday and while I’m not going to buy one, I was very impressed with it. It feels really nice, strong, and well made.
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I think it’s already a hit. I was at the Apple store at Stanford Shopping Center today checking out the MBA. During my 20 minutes visit, I saw 5 of them flying out the door. Then I got myself one too.
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I think it’s already a hit. I was at the Apple store at Stanford Shopping Center today checking out the MBA. During my 20 minutes visit, I saw 5 of them flying out the door. Then I got myself one too.
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I went to the Apple store and played with one,It’s cute and there are some nice thing about it but I’ll pass.
It’s way overpriced.
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I went to the Apple store and played with one,It’s cute and there are some nice thing about it but I’ll pass.
It’s way overpriced.
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I am loving mine. Using it is much less annoying than anything else I’ve owned. You get what you pay for. The screen is outstanding — brilliant clarity and brightness.
I found a really great addition for it at the Apple store: it’s a laptop stand made by Logitech called the Alto. It’s shaped like an X and has 4 built-in USB ports (3 in the back, one at the front for thumb drives and the like). Coupled with the obligatory second AC adaptor that you should leave wherever you work (really — a laptop is much more portable if you don’t lug its associated crap everywhere with you) and it’s basically like an elegant little docking station.
I don’t even have a case for it (and I don’t think I’d want one, unless traveling)… I just carry the Air in my hand like a notebook.
@loic: if you were just browsing mostly non-flash sites, emailing etc. you would get twice that battery life. I can get 5 or a bit over if I’m just browsing over wifi, depending on Flash usage, etc. Flash uses much more CPU than HTML, though, and the battery life suffers as a direct result. Don’t feel bad, my site eats battery life too 🙂
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I am loving mine. Using it is much less annoying than anything else I’ve owned. You get what you pay for. The screen is outstanding — brilliant clarity and brightness.
I found a really great addition for it at the Apple store: it’s a laptop stand made by Logitech called the Alto. It’s shaped like an X and has 4 built-in USB ports (3 in the back, one at the front for thumb drives and the like). Coupled with the obligatory second AC adaptor that you should leave wherever you work (really — a laptop is much more portable if you don’t lug its associated crap everywhere with you) and it’s basically like an elegant little docking station.
I don’t even have a case for it (and I don’t think I’d want one, unless traveling)… I just carry the Air in my hand like a notebook.
@loic: if you were just browsing mostly non-flash sites, emailing etc. you would get twice that battery life. I can get 5 or a bit over if I’m just browsing over wifi, depending on Flash usage, etc. Flash uses much more CPU than HTML, though, and the battery life suffers as a direct result. Don’t feel bad, my site eats battery life too 🙂
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Well having a macbook Air simply rules! It’s not the look at me factor, it’s the fact that it’s so thin that becomes ergonomically functional! Above all it’s an Apple 🙂
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Well having a macbook Air simply rules! It’s not the look at me factor, it’s the fact that it’s so thin that becomes ergonomically functional! Above all it’s an Apple 🙂
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Less filling, good for some. I like it, but the trade-offs aren’t acceptable (for me). AIR 2, light yet with the steak might be the one.
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Less filling, good for some. I like it, but the trade-offs aren’t acceptable (for me). AIR 2, light yet with the steak might be the one.
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When the first iMac was introduced in 1998, the industry laughed cause it didn’t include a floppy.
Apple is doing it all again. The optical drive is no longer a necessity.
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When the first iMac was introduced in 1998, the industry laughed cause it didn’t include a floppy.
Apple is doing it all again. The optical drive is no longer a necessity.
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I can’t believe people today are ok with a 4200 RPM drive. This has much of a detrimental effect on app performance than 0.2 Ghz CPU speed difference. And then the rest of the crippled functionality; having to return it to Apple for battery replacement??
I’d much rather take something like the XPS M1330 for $500 less AND more functionality.
Thin is irrelevant when you’re carrying it around. Other than being a conversation piece, it serves no purpose. Personally, I’d rather take an extra pound and have a full featured laptop.
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I can’t believe people today are ok with a 4200 RPM drive. This has much of a detrimental effect on app performance than 0.2 Ghz CPU speed difference. And then the rest of the crippled functionality; having to return it to Apple for battery replacement??
I’d much rather take something like the XPS M1330 for $500 less AND more functionality.
Thin is irrelevant when you’re carrying it around. Other than being a conversation piece, it serves no purpose. Personally, I’d rather take an extra pound and have a full featured laptop.
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My daughter the “I cannot live without windows” Kid is now the “I will buy the Air” Kid. Startled the hell out of me. Nothing that is missing will she miss (according to her). She’ll get the external burner but not carry it around. I’ll transfer over the Student edition of MS Office 2004 for Mac from my machine and life will be perfect for her.
2 years ago suggesting a Mac made me and little brother MacFanBoys. Last summer her 5 year old much deranged HP laptop died and life was hard for her. “Dad, can I borrow your laptop” (12″ Powerbook)? Now Mac’s are not frightening, she can use them and the statement that her generation was going over to Macs encouraging (MS needs to get it’s butt kicked so as to put out a good OS again).
I think this hits the sweet spot for so many university kids who are not geeks.
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My daughter the “I cannot live without windows” Kid is now the “I will buy the Air” Kid. Startled the hell out of me. Nothing that is missing will she miss (according to her). She’ll get the external burner but not carry it around. I’ll transfer over the Student edition of MS Office 2004 for Mac from my machine and life will be perfect for her.
2 years ago suggesting a Mac made me and little brother MacFanBoys. Last summer her 5 year old much deranged HP laptop died and life was hard for her. “Dad, can I borrow your laptop” (12″ Powerbook)? Now Mac’s are not frightening, she can use them and the statement that her generation was going over to Macs encouraging (MS needs to get it’s butt kicked so as to put out a good OS again).
I think this hits the sweet spot for so many university kids who are not geeks.
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I picked up a Macbook Air (literally, not as in “i bought one”) in the Apple Store today. Wow! I am impressed. I was almost seduced… Very nice, the thin thing matters… just think, putting the MBA in your bag and boarding a plane. Big difference vs. a 2x thick product, big difference!
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I picked up a Macbook Air (literally, not as in “i bought one”) in the Apple Store today. Wow! I am impressed. I was almost seduced… Very nice, the thin thing matters… just think, putting the MBA in your bag and boarding a plane. Big difference vs. a 2x thick product, big difference!
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I loved my MacBook Air for the five days I had it. Unfortunately, that unit had problems. (A pre-update installation of Leopard that Migration Assistant and Remote Disc did not work with and a keyboard backlight that blew the second day I had it.) I await the arrival of my replacement MacBook Air. It was in Anchorage as of Friday. But, the previous one went from Anchorage to North Carolina to Indianapolis and then back to the Pacific Northwest, arriving days later than it could have.
I had the same break into smiles experience when people asked to hold the MacBook Air. Now, they ask after mine as if it were a new baby.
One of the cool things I have not seen mentioned online is that bluetooth file transfers between the Air and another Mac work perfectly. If you are just sending a few documents or some MP3s you can use bluetooth and not bother with Ethernet or your Wi-Fi network. This is the only time I’ve got much functionality out of bluetooth in this way, including with Palm devices.
My new setup will be iPhone/MacBook Air/MacBook Pro. I will sell my PowerBook G4.
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I loved my MacBook Air for the five days I had it. Unfortunately, that unit had problems. (A pre-update installation of Leopard that Migration Assistant and Remote Disc did not work with and a keyboard backlight that blew the second day I had it.) I await the arrival of my replacement MacBook Air. It was in Anchorage as of Friday. But, the previous one went from Anchorage to North Carolina to Indianapolis and then back to the Pacific Northwest, arriving days later than it could have.
I had the same break into smiles experience when people asked to hold the MacBook Air. Now, they ask after mine as if it were a new baby.
One of the cool things I have not seen mentioned online is that bluetooth file transfers between the Air and another Mac work perfectly. If you are just sending a few documents or some MP3s you can use bluetooth and not bother with Ethernet or your Wi-Fi network. This is the only time I’ve got much functionality out of bluetooth in this way, including with Palm devices.
My new setup will be iPhone/MacBook Air/MacBook Pro. I will sell my PowerBook G4.
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I have to admit. I thought, with the economic downturn, the sales for this elegantly designed, dysfunctional toy would be like the Cube. But then I saw it, held it, opened and closed it in the Apple store just today. Uh-oh. It may still die the death, but it is so beautiful, such a triumph of industrial design, that I’m looking around my bank accounts, and I hope I can find the moolah. Oh, you can get faster, maybe better, but the pure eroticism of THIN is remarkable.
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I have to admit. I thought, with the economic downturn, the sales for this elegantly designed, dysfunctional toy would be like the Cube. But then I saw it, held it, opened and closed it in the Apple store just today. Uh-oh. It may still die the death, but it is so beautiful, such a triumph of industrial design, that I’m looking around my bank accounts, and I hope I can find the moolah. Oh, you can get faster, maybe better, but the pure eroticism of THIN is remarkable.
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Stopped showing off the Kindle, eh? 😉
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Stopped showing off the Kindle, eh? 😉
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I got a smile the first time I picked up a Vaio. Since then, Apple has pretty much copied some of their features with an Apple twist.
Problem is, people are so narrow-minded, thinking Apple computers are the only quality sold computers left.
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I got a smile the first time I picked up a Vaio. Since then, Apple has pretty much copied some of their features with an Apple twist.
Problem is, people are so narrow-minded, thinking Apple computers are the only quality sold computers left.
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“Problem is, people are so narrow-minded, thinking Apple computers are the only quality sold computers left.”
When one knows something to be true, it does make it rather difficult to NOT be narrow-minded.
“You want me to believe the Earth is flat? But I know it to be round! I’m afraid I just can’t believe the Earth is flat”
“SHEEZ you’re narrow-minded!”
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“Problem is, people are so narrow-minded, thinking Apple computers are the only quality sold computers left.”
When one knows something to be true, it does make it rather difficult to NOT be narrow-minded.
“You want me to believe the Earth is flat? But I know it to be round! I’m afraid I just can’t believe the Earth is flat”
“SHEEZ you’re narrow-minded!”
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I know I’m repeatng a lot of what has already been said, but I figured I would chime in anyway.
It all boils down to the right tool for the right job. If the Air isn’t the tool for you, move on to something else that is. That doesn’t make it a bad laptop. If you keep adding stuff to it, it’s just another MacBook.
The Air is my first foray into the Apple world. I was looking for a new personal laptop and looked at Dell, IBM, Sony, etc. etc.
When I looked at everything I did with my laptops I realized that I didn’t really need multiple ports and I never use my optical drive (download shows from the Tivo, install apps remotely, use flash drives extensively). Although, I will admit it would be nice to have an extra battery for those international flights. But, that’s not a show stopper.
Once I took a good look at my true needs, and not trying to make my laptop a desktop replacement, the Air fit in nicely.
I’ve had it a few weeks now using it at home, on the road, and in my office, and it is great. I’ve edited photo’s to send to family and friends, I can connect into my office and run my business apps, and do just about everything else I need to do.
I’m glad I made the jump to a Mac and the Air. It’s meeting my needs very nicely. Now if I could only learn all the ins and outs of the OS like I do with Windows. It will come with time I’m sure. 😉
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I know I’m repeatng a lot of what has already been said, but I figured I would chime in anyway.
It all boils down to the right tool for the right job. If the Air isn’t the tool for you, move on to something else that is. That doesn’t make it a bad laptop. If you keep adding stuff to it, it’s just another MacBook.
The Air is my first foray into the Apple world. I was looking for a new personal laptop and looked at Dell, IBM, Sony, etc. etc.
When I looked at everything I did with my laptops I realized that I didn’t really need multiple ports and I never use my optical drive (download shows from the Tivo, install apps remotely, use flash drives extensively). Although, I will admit it would be nice to have an extra battery for those international flights. But, that’s not a show stopper.
Once I took a good look at my true needs, and not trying to make my laptop a desktop replacement, the Air fit in nicely.
I’ve had it a few weeks now using it at home, on the road, and in my office, and it is great. I’ve edited photo’s to send to family and friends, I can connect into my office and run my business apps, and do just about everything else I need to do.
I’m glad I made the jump to a Mac and the Air. It’s meeting my needs very nicely. Now if I could only learn all the ins and outs of the OS like I do with Windows. It will come with time I’m sure. 😉
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If you think that the communication device you have is the best then you are yet to see this . Its great and amazing the features and functions are outstanding , it is better seen and than ANY . the New MacBook Air & New MacBook Pros is Apple’s newest 13.3″ ultra-thin notebook, World’s Thinnest Notebook, offering cutting edge design in a remarkably thin package. models now available with Intel’s newest generation of Core 2 Duo processors in Gold colour.
If you are serious and need to lay your hand on it then feel free to inform via wagnerk13@yahoo.com
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If you think that the communication device you have is the best then you are yet to see this . Its great and amazing the features and functions are outstanding , it is better seen and than ANY . the New MacBook Air & New MacBook Pros is Apple’s newest 13.3″ ultra-thin notebook, World’s Thinnest Notebook, offering cutting edge design in a remarkably thin package. models now available with Intel’s newest generation of Core 2 Duo processors in Gold colour.
If you are serious and need to lay your hand on it then feel free to inform via wagnerk13@yahoo.com
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