Alfred is right: I’m irrelevant to Web 2.0

Alfred Thompson, who works for Microsoft, basically says I’m not welcome at Mix: Why Scoble is irrelevant in the world of Web 2.0.

Ahh, yes, ye olde “you must be a developer to understand anything on stage at Mix” argument.

Oh, but wait a second.

I just looked at the speaker list. Andrew Rashbass is on stage. He’s Publisher of the Economist magazine. Is he a developer? Why is Microsoft putting him on stage?

Mike Arrington of TechCrunch is on stage too. I wonder if Alfred thinks Mike is irrelevant to Web 2.0? Last time I checked Mike is a former lawyer.

Last year Tim O’Reilly was on stage. I wonder if Alfred thinks Tim is irrelevant to Web 2.0? Last time I checked Tim is a book publisher and, now, a venture capitalist.

Oh, also on the Mix stage is Tom Bodkin, assistant managing editor of the New York Times.

But, Alfred Thompson is right. What I +write+ about Microsoft stuff might be irrelevant, particularly to the developer audience that Microsoft is trying to reach but he must have forgotten my day job: to search out new technologies with my video camera to report on them.

I guess I’m to blame cause I haven’t put my demographics up of my audiences but there’s lots of developers who are watching my videos.

Adobe’s Apollo team recognizes that, which is why I got a personal invite to come over and talk with the Apollo team.

In the video, embedded here, you learn what the new APIs are in Apollo (at about minute 22:00). Oh, but wait, a non-developer couldn’t have asked THAT question, could he? I followed up with at least half a dozen questions about APIs and what Apollo enables for developers. Yet Alfred thinks he wouldn’t learn ANYTHING technical from my work. Interesting.

Not to mention I’ve interviewed more than 200 people since I’ve left Microsoft — a very large percentage of whom are CEOs or CTOs working in the Web 2.0 industry. Nah, not relevant to Microsoft or its developers, right?

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It’s interesting that Microsoft doesn’t see people who make media for technologists as important. I guess Alfred assumes everyone who cares will watch Channel 9 or 10. And I say “Microsoft” because this seems to be a common theme tonight of dissing journalists in public who report on Microsoft’s doings.

Oh well, either way, I’ll be out in the lobby with my video camera interviewing DEVELOPERS and bringing them to you and their opinions of Microsoft’s latest technologies.

It’s funny. Microsoft certainly seemed to like it when I did that when I worked there. But now that I’m not a blue badge anymore I’m irrelevant to the Web 2.0 world. Hmmmm.

Irony: Alfred says he hasn’t written code for 13 years. Welcome to the irrelevant Alfred! I do read his blog for the entertainment value too, I must admit! 🙂 Ahhh, maybe this is why Google is beating Microsoft in search and other things on the Internet.

Shhhhhh. I’ve learned from several companies that they are getting paid to build apps for Microsoft and I know of several people at Mix who are getting paid to come attend. I wonder if anyone will disclose what they are getting paid?

UPDATE: If I worked on Channel 10, a Microsoft-owned channel (done by the evangelism team that puts on Mix, by the way — their offices are literally right next to each other, which makes it extra funny) I’d be pissed at Alfred. After all, the two video hosts there aren’t developers and they just tried to teach us what a mashup was by interviewing a Microsoft developer. I guess they are irrelevant too. I wonder if they’ll get a free ticket to Mix?

UPDATE2: Robbie van der Blom cracked me up with his Twitter remark: “@scobleizer, wasn’t Microsoft irrelevant to web2.0???”

Ahh, just in time to start talking about Web 3.0. I’m glad I’m not going to get tagged with Web 2.0 ownership. Alfred can have THAT! 🙂

210 thoughts on “Alfred is right: I’m irrelevant to Web 2.0

  1. Geesh, someone needs to revamp Microsoft’s marketing…gosh, that’s quite slap happy. Bad form all around.

    Irrelevants talk to relevants, and report on relevant things, important to relevants, even though they, as the messengers, might, in fact be, irrelevants.

    You need a vibe, a buzz, the press and mainstream (irrelevant as they might be) needs to get why it’s important to them too, never mind the enthusiasts and the evangelists that Microsoft so heavily courts, to say nothing of the Street and the money men.

    And even if you are irrelevant or even if Web 2.0 is itself (which both are besides the point), video is not.

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  2. Geesh, someone needs to revamp Microsoft’s marketing…gosh, that’s quite slap happy. Bad form all around.

    Irrelevants talk to relevants, and report on relevant things, important to relevants, even though they, as the messengers, might, in fact be, irrelevants.

    You need a vibe, a buzz, the press and mainstream (irrelevant as they might be) needs to get why it’s important to them too, never mind the enthusiasts and the evangelists that Microsoft so heavily courts, to say nothing of the Street and the money men.

    And even if you are irrelevant or even if Web 2.0 is itself (which both are besides the point), video is not.

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  3. Yeah, which is why On10.net (Microsoft’s other video show) has two non-developers who are running video camera and trying to talk enthusiasts into using Microsoft stuff. Just last week they were bringing us a developer who taught us about mashups. http://www.on10.net/Blogs/tina/whats-a-mashup-jon-pincus-stops-by-to-tell-us/

    I wonder why Alfred isn’t calling THEM irrelevant.

    But we all know THEY are relevant. After all, they are Microsoft employees, right? Ahhh, fun biases exist all over.

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  4. Yeah, which is why On10.net (Microsoft’s other video show) has two non-developers who are running video camera and trying to talk enthusiasts into using Microsoft stuff. Just last week they were bringing us a developer who taught us about mashups. http://www.on10.net/Blogs/tina/whats-a-mashup-jon-pincus-stops-by-to-tell-us/

    I wonder why Alfred isn’t calling THEM irrelevant.

    But we all know THEY are relevant. After all, they are Microsoft employees, right? Ahhh, fun biases exist all over.

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  5. So Jeff goes Neroish ‘Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down’ to a Wired Editor, and Alfred insults networking blog oozers, with huge megaphones.

    Gasoline meet fire…

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  6. So Jeff goes Neroish ‘Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down’ to a Wired Editor, and Alfred insults networking blog oozers, with huge megaphones.

    Gasoline meet fire…

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  7. ha ha, this is indeed a good one. Especially from the company that puts so much marketing speak in most of their stuff that most developers wonder what they are doing.

    But then again, it’s for developers, which in most cases will be the Microsoft cheering public and will take any bone thrown to them …

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  8. ha ha, this is indeed a good one. Especially from the company that puts so much marketing speak in most of their stuff that most developers wonder what they are doing.

    But then again, it’s for developers, which in most cases will be the Microsoft cheering public and will take any bone thrown to them …

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  9. Hi Robert,

    I don’t think it’s fait to quote Alfred’s opinion as if it was Microsoft’s official position. Alfred is in no way an official Microsoft spokesman.

    From the internal directory, I can see that Alfred is an Evangelist for Academics, working for DPE, where I also work, and where you also used to work while at Microsoft.

    In sum-up, I don’t think you should get to conclusions like the following: “Microsoft certainly seemed to like it when I did that when I worked there. But now that I’m not a blue badge anymore I’m irrelevant to the Web 2.0 world. Hmmmm.”

    Don’t assume that Alfred’s views actually represent the majority of MS Blue Badge holder’s opinion. That’s unfair.

    I, for one, do not agree with Alfred. I consider that Mix *is not* yet another dev conference, and that we don’t want to spray there the same messages and show the same demos than at PDC or TechEd.

    Different audiences have different concerns and interests, hence, we should have different messages.

    Voilà.

    Once more, my view or opinions do not necessery reflect an official position of my employer 😉

    Cheers,


    Christophe Lauer
    Web & Windows Live Evangelist at MS France (this last detail to imply apologizes for my bad English…)

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  10. Hi Robert,

    I don’t think it’s fait to quote Alfred’s opinion as if it was Microsoft’s official position. Alfred is in no way an official Microsoft spokesman.

    From the internal directory, I can see that Alfred is an Evangelist for Academics, working for DPE, where I also work, and where you also used to work while at Microsoft.

    In sum-up, I don’t think you should get to conclusions like the following: “Microsoft certainly seemed to like it when I did that when I worked there. But now that I’m not a blue badge anymore I’m irrelevant to the Web 2.0 world. Hmmmm.”

    Don’t assume that Alfred’s views actually represent the majority of MS Blue Badge holder’s opinion. That’s unfair.

    I, for one, do not agree with Alfred. I consider that Mix *is not* yet another dev conference, and that we don’t want to spray there the same messages and show the same demos than at PDC or TechEd.

    Different audiences have different concerns and interests, hence, we should have different messages.

    Voilà.

    Once more, my view or opinions do not necessery reflect an official position of my employer 😉

    Cheers,


    Christophe Lauer
    Web & Windows Live Evangelist at MS France (this last detail to imply apologizes for my bad English…)

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  11. Christophe: even at the PDC hundreds of press were invited and given the best seats in the house (right up front at stage center). I remember sitting next to Jim Fawcette in one of the front rows at the first NT Developer conference too along with hundreds of other press. That was back in 1993. Almost every conference that I’ve gone to that Microsoft has been involved in has treated the press as front-and-center best guests too.

    Is it fair to tag Microsoft with this? You have a point, but every employee who blogs in public represents Microsoft and is a spokesperson, whether official or not.

    Something to think about and argue about on the internal blogger alias.

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  12. Christophe: even at the PDC hundreds of press were invited and given the best seats in the house (right up front at stage center). I remember sitting next to Jim Fawcette in one of the front rows at the first NT Developer conference too along with hundreds of other press. That was back in 1993. Almost every conference that I’ve gone to that Microsoft has been involved in has treated the press as front-and-center best guests too.

    Is it fair to tag Microsoft with this? You have a point, but every employee who blogs in public represents Microsoft and is a spokesperson, whether official or not.

    Something to think about and argue about on the internal blogger alias.

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  13. Oh, and this isn’t the first time a Microsoft employee has gone after me after I’ve left Microsoft. So, since this is a continuing theme, I’m going to start assuming that Microsoft as a whole has started going after me.

    I know how this works at Microsoft. If bosses and PR don’t agree with how someone is behaving in public the behavior usually stops pretty quickly.

    Translation: if it doesn’t stop I’d have to assume it’s approved/sanctioned behavior.

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  14. Oh, and this isn’t the first time a Microsoft employee has gone after me after I’ve left Microsoft. So, since this is a continuing theme, I’m going to start assuming that Microsoft as a whole has started going after me.

    I know how this works at Microsoft. If bosses and PR don’t agree with how someone is behaving in public the behavior usually stops pretty quickly.

    Translation: if it doesn’t stop I’d have to assume it’s approved/sanctioned behavior.

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  15. So you didn’t get invited. Stop crying. Man up! And get back to fixing that busted up mac.

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  16. BTW, neverness = robbievanderblom 🙂

    @Christophe, one should always be aware that once put on the blog even if there’s a disclaimer (which is in Alfreds case) people will link it to the company, whether we like it or not.

    And you’re right concerning the audience of Mix, as is stated on the website, it’s for developers, designers and Decision makers…

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  17. BTW, neverness = robbievanderblom 🙂

    @Christophe, one should always be aware that once put on the blog even if there’s a disclaimer (which is in Alfreds case) people will link it to the company, whether we like it or not.

    And you’re right concerning the audience of Mix, as is stated on the website, it’s for developers, designers and Decision makers…

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  18. teknologist: who’s crying? The lobby is always more fun at these things anyway. Lots of developers hang out there with their laptops. I remember that I saw Flickr for the first time in a lobby. It was hardly the only first thing I’ve seen in a lobby. You should have watched my lobby cam at the Web 2.0 Expo. If you did you would have seen several apps demoed for the first time. No pass needed!

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  19. teknologist: who’s crying? The lobby is always more fun at these things anyway. Lots of developers hang out there with their laptops. I remember that I saw Flickr for the first time in a lobby. It was hardly the only first thing I’ve seen in a lobby. You should have watched my lobby cam at the Web 2.0 Expo. If you did you would have seen several apps demoed for the first time. No pass needed!

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  20. This is unfortunate and rather inappropriate of Alfred (imo). You can’t rely on developers alone to discuss a technology for the masses. Most do a fairly poor job of it. As a developer managing a variety of teams, I feel confident in expressing this.

    I will saw, however, Robert that you shouldn’t assume that all of MS is against you, even when moments like this come to light.

    What I will say as an outsider who has read your blog before and after your leave from Microsoft that it seems that you have been much more critical of MS (sometimes overly so) and folks from MS have been more critical of you and thus there exist a circle that makes things worse.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not advocating Alfred did the right thing, by no means did he. You are in fact the exact kind of person who should be reporting on what is going on at Mix07.

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  21. This is unfortunate and rather inappropriate of Alfred (imo). You can’t rely on developers alone to discuss a technology for the masses. Most do a fairly poor job of it. As a developer managing a variety of teams, I feel confident in expressing this.

    I will saw, however, Robert that you shouldn’t assume that all of MS is against you, even when moments like this come to light.

    What I will say as an outsider who has read your blog before and after your leave from Microsoft that it seems that you have been much more critical of MS (sometimes overly so) and folks from MS have been more critical of you and thus there exist a circle that makes things worse.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not advocating Alfred did the right thing, by no means did he. You are in fact the exact kind of person who should be reporting on what is going on at Mix07.

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  22. “So, since this is a continuing theme, I’m going to start assuming that Microsoft as a whole has started going after me.”

    Oh, c’mon Robert, don’t get paranoïd please…
    Please, not you playing the Conspiration Theory 😉

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  23. “So, since this is a continuing theme, I’m going to start assuming that Microsoft as a whole has started going after me.”

    Oh, c’mon Robert, don’t get paranoïd please…
    Please, not you playing the Conspiration Theory 😉

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  24. “one should always be aware that once put on the blog even if there’s a disclaimer (which is in Alfreds case) people will link it to the company, whether we like it or not.”

    @neverness: I’m aware of this. Unfortunately, that’s where people is wrong. People tend to forget that blogs are written by humans, most often by individuals (I remember robert has often encouraged individual blogs, and was mostly AFAIK against the idea of anonymous team blogs).

    Given that, people should remember that individuals do have their own opinions, and can sometime or be wrong – just like any of us – or can just not perceive 100% of a strategy, of a vision, of a technology or whatever. We’re all humans after all.

    So I repeat that taking an employee’s quote as an official position of his/her employer is not fair, and most of the time, leads to nowhere but to sterile debates. But those often generate long threads, and also drive much traffic, that’s agreed 😉

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  25. Joe and Christophe: maybe it’s all in my mind. On the other hand, I +have+ been tougher on Microsoft since I left and I’ve done so knowing full well that doing that usually means you get treated a little tougher by Microsofties. Just ask Mary Jo Foley about that.

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  26. “one should always be aware that once put on the blog even if there’s a disclaimer (which is in Alfreds case) people will link it to the company, whether we like it or not.”

    @neverness: I’m aware of this. Unfortunately, that’s where people is wrong. People tend to forget that blogs are written by humans, most often by individuals (I remember robert has often encouraged individual blogs, and was mostly AFAIK against the idea of anonymous team blogs).

    Given that, people should remember that individuals do have their own opinions, and can sometime or be wrong – just like any of us – or can just not perceive 100% of a strategy, of a vision, of a technology or whatever. We’re all humans after all.

    So I repeat that taking an employee’s quote as an official position of his/her employer is not fair, and most of the time, leads to nowhere but to sterile debates. But those often generate long threads, and also drive much traffic, that’s agreed 😉

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  27. Joe and Christophe: maybe it’s all in my mind. On the other hand, I +have+ been tougher on Microsoft since I left and I’ve done so knowing full well that doing that usually means you get treated a little tougher by Microsofties. Just ask Mary Jo Foley about that.

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  28. Christophe: I’m still waiting for the traffic to show up.

    Really the only sure way to get traffic is to attack something Apple’s doing. Then stand back from your server cause it’s likely to explode.

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  29. Christophe: I’m still waiting for the traffic to show up.

    Really the only sure way to get traffic is to attack something Apple’s doing. Then stand back from your server cause it’s likely to explode.

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  30. “Irrelevants talk to relevants” — ha! Well said!

    The Microsofties might better serve themselves (and their stockholders) trying to figure out how get their company out of the ditch and less time poo-pooing liked and respected authors.

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  31. “Irrelevants talk to relevants” — ha! Well said!

    The Microsofties might better serve themselves (and their stockholders) trying to figure out how get their company out of the ditch and less time poo-pooing liked and respected authors.

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  32. I’m going to be interested to see what designers have to say at MIX (vs. developers – if there is such a divide!). And the average person. Not the rock stars.

    I happen to think there is a new class of “media” and “developer” that mashes up and discards the old stereotypes. Time for folksonomy on job titles. Forget what the hierarchy gives us. Resist the formal career taxonomies!

    Channel 9 + 10: I’m no more of a developer than you, Scoble — doesn’t stop you being knowledgeable at a level to communicate all this new stuff (web 2.0, r/w web, social networking yada yada yada) to the world. It needs to be told, and the traditional media is too slow to get the stuff out there. And not in a “A vs. B” or “A is evil” mindspace.

    It doesn’t need a deep C++ guy to grok and get the web. In some cases, maybe quite the opposite.

    That’s why you are relevant. Way more relevant. People matter.

    Anyway, jealous ur going to be in our conference, speaking to the peoples.

    Nick Hodge, http://thegeekstories.com/
    Channel 10 + amateur Channel 9 dude

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  33. I’m going to be interested to see what designers have to say at MIX (vs. developers – if there is such a divide!). And the average person. Not the rock stars.

    I happen to think there is a new class of “media” and “developer” that mashes up and discards the old stereotypes. Time for folksonomy on job titles. Forget what the hierarchy gives us. Resist the formal career taxonomies!

    Channel 9 + 10: I’m no more of a developer than you, Scoble — doesn’t stop you being knowledgeable at a level to communicate all this new stuff (web 2.0, r/w web, social networking yada yada yada) to the world. It needs to be told, and the traditional media is too slow to get the stuff out there. And not in a “A vs. B” or “A is evil” mindspace.

    It doesn’t need a deep C++ guy to grok and get the web. In some cases, maybe quite the opposite.

    That’s why you are relevant. Way more relevant. People matter.

    Anyway, jealous ur going to be in our conference, speaking to the peoples.

    Nick Hodge, http://thegeekstories.com/
    Channel 10 + amateur Channel 9 dude

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  34. Quoting from Alfred’s post:

    Is he [Scoble] a developer? Not hardly.

    Not hardly? I guess that does make you a reporter. At least you have your English right 😉

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  35. Quoting from Alfred’s post:

    Is he [Scoble] a developer? Not hardly.

    Not hardly? I guess that does make you a reporter. At least you have your English right 😉

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  36. Robert,

    in fairness to Microsoft (EMEA) they invited me to attend. They are paying my flight and accomodation.

    I’m not a developer.

    There may be other motives afoot.

    Anyhoo, looking forward to seeing you in the hallway.

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  37. Robert,

    in fairness to Microsoft (EMEA) they invited me to attend. They are paying my flight and accomodation.

    I’m not a developer.

    There may be other motives afoot.

    Anyhoo, looking forward to seeing you in the hallway.

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  38. Tom: but you do help run Ireland’s coolest IT conference. I would have paid for you to come too. Why? Cause you have an influential audience. Who cares that YOU aren’t a developer. You are trusted by lots of them to bring back the news.

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  39. Tom: but you do help run Ireland’s coolest IT conference. I would have paid for you to come too. Why? Cause you have an influential audience. Who cares that YOU aren’t a developer. You are trusted by lots of them to bring back the news.

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  40. Robert, you’ve spent so much time this year slamming Microsoft and telling the world how they just don’t get it, maybe they feel that you wouldn’t be interested in anything they have to say?

    I’d say sour grapes is right.

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  41. Robert, you’ve spent so much time this year slamming Microsoft and telling the world how they just don’t get it, maybe they feel that you wouldn’t be interested in anything they have to say?

    I’d say sour grapes is right.

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  42. Joe (#36): I’ve said plenty nice about Microsoft since I left Microsoft too. You must have missed the several nice interviews I’ve done with them. You must have missed that at the Web 2.0 Summit I said Microsoft did the demo of the year http://scobleizer.com/2006/11/10/demo-of-the-year-photosynth/ . You must have missed that I gave the Zune a pretty nice review http://scobleizer.com/2006/10/26/my-thoughts-about-zune-vs-ipod/ considering and praise my Xbox all the time. Not to mention I was in the Wall Street Journal defending Microsoft in December. http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB116490323676636989-HnHPKLzkyy9xKy2wnokbd2bc_bE_20071130.html

    Hell, just go back to last week and watch the Electric Rain interview I put up. http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1456/editors-choice-electric-rains-standout-presentation-application Or the Thirteen23 demo I put up. http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1422/thirteen23-demo-with-scoble-at-sxsw That’s a preview of the kind of stuff you’ll see at Mix. Or a demo of Digipede, .NET grid tech that’s pretty cool. http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1429/demo-of-building-a-grid-with-digipede

    You also must have missed the TechFest tour I did with Kevin Schofield. http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/search/Kevin+Schofield or the Interview with Sanaz Ahari of Microsoft’s Live.com team: http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1298/meet-microsoft-livecoms-sanaz-ahari

    I find it interesting that several people here keep repeating that I only slam Microsoft and only note my slams after I left Microsoft (forgetting that I told Bill Gates to split Microsoft up BEFORE I was a Microsoft employee, or my many slams on various teams WHILE I worked at Microsoft. I guess you forgot posts like this one, WHILE I worked at Microsoft: http://scoble.weblogs.com/2005/02/19.html or all sorts of other ones.

    Why is that? What’s YOUR ulterior motive? Are you paid by Microsoft? Why the lack of perspective?

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  43. Joe (#36): I’ve said plenty nice about Microsoft since I left Microsoft too. You must have missed the several nice interviews I’ve done with them. You must have missed that at the Web 2.0 Summit I said Microsoft did the demo of the year http://scobleizer.com/2006/11/10/demo-of-the-year-photosynth/ . You must have missed that I gave the Zune a pretty nice review http://scobleizer.com/2006/10/26/my-thoughts-about-zune-vs-ipod/ considering and praise my Xbox all the time. Not to mention I was in the Wall Street Journal defending Microsoft in December. http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB116490323676636989-HnHPKLzkyy9xKy2wnokbd2bc_bE_20071130.html

    Hell, just go back to last week and watch the Electric Rain interview I put up. http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1456/editors-choice-electric-rains-standout-presentation-application Or the Thirteen23 demo I put up. http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1422/thirteen23-demo-with-scoble-at-sxsw That’s a preview of the kind of stuff you’ll see at Mix. Or a demo of Digipede, .NET grid tech that’s pretty cool. http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1429/demo-of-building-a-grid-with-digipede

    You also must have missed the TechFest tour I did with Kevin Schofield. http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/search/Kevin+Schofield or the Interview with Sanaz Ahari of Microsoft’s Live.com team: http://www.podtech.net/scobleshow/technology/1298/meet-microsoft-livecoms-sanaz-ahari

    I find it interesting that several people here keep repeating that I only slam Microsoft and only note my slams after I left Microsoft (forgetting that I told Bill Gates to split Microsoft up BEFORE I was a Microsoft employee, or my many slams on various teams WHILE I worked at Microsoft. I guess you forgot posts like this one, WHILE I worked at Microsoft: http://scoble.weblogs.com/2005/02/19.html or all sorts of other ones.

    Why is that? What’s YOUR ulterior motive? Are you paid by Microsoft? Why the lack of perspective?

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  44. Tom: Microsoft is actually more like 90 separate companies than most people would like to admit. The European one often does stuff that the American arm wouldn’t do. Nothing much behind it other than that.

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  45. Tom: Microsoft is actually more like 90 separate companies than most people would like to admit. The European one often does stuff that the American arm wouldn’t do. Nothing much behind it other than that.

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  46. Robert, I think it’s strange MS hasn’t invited you in. Doesn’t make any sense at all.

    Alfred says, “If you are a developer don’t you really want to hear from someone who understands the technology in some depth?”

    Well yes, of course… But that’s what Scoble’s videos give people access to!

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  47. Robert, I think it’s strange MS hasn’t invited you in. Doesn’t make any sense at all.

    Alfred says, “If you are a developer don’t you really want to hear from someone who understands the technology in some depth?”

    Well yes, of course… But that’s what Scoble’s videos give people access to!

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  48. Really the only sure way to get traffic is to attack something Apple’s doing. Then stand back from your server cause it’s likely to explode.

    Must be the blogger. I called Apple a buncha tools on at least one occasion, and all I got was some half-hearted attempts to justify it. Then again, MacMacs don’t get treated well in my world 😛

    Oh, c’mon Robert, don’t get paranoïd please…
    Please, not you playing the Conspiration Theory

    We ARE talking about Microsoft. Conspiracy theory is quite valid in that context.

    Christophe: hmmm, I think I donated that one cause I wore it out I wore it so much.

    Robert, you keep that up, and I swear I will get you one of these:

    http://www.rhymes-with-witch.com/store-shirts-faster.shtml

    But seriously, Alfred’s being a tool about this. His entire post reads as “I’m an elitest twat, and now I can finally stop pretending to be nice to Scoble.” Please. This line is the best:

    Why have special privileges for the media anyway. Real developers will be there with real technical expertise and real credibility when they say something is good, great or boring. Those are the blogs I’d be looking for. Oh sure the parties and who has drinks with who is all good fun but don’t most of the technical people who can’t attend want more than the fluff? I think so.

    SOMEone doesn’t have a clue, and it’s not you Robert. I think I just may go all gruber on his ass…. http://daringfireball.net/2007/02/macrovision_translation

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  49. Really the only sure way to get traffic is to attack something Apple’s doing. Then stand back from your server cause it’s likely to explode.

    Must be the blogger. I called Apple a buncha tools on at least one occasion, and all I got was some half-hearted attempts to justify it. Then again, MacMacs don’t get treated well in my world 😛

    Oh, c’mon Robert, don’t get paranoïd please…
    Please, not you playing the Conspiration Theory

    We ARE talking about Microsoft. Conspiracy theory is quite valid in that context.

    Christophe: hmmm, I think I donated that one cause I wore it out I wore it so much.

    Robert, you keep that up, and I swear I will get you one of these:

    http://www.rhymes-with-witch.com/store-shirts-faster.shtml

    But seriously, Alfred’s being a tool about this. His entire post reads as “I’m an elitest twat, and now I can finally stop pretending to be nice to Scoble.” Please. This line is the best:

    Why have special privileges for the media anyway. Real developers will be there with real technical expertise and real credibility when they say something is good, great or boring. Those are the blogs I’d be looking for. Oh sure the parties and who has drinks with who is all good fun but don’t most of the technical people who can’t attend want more than the fluff? I think so.

    SOMEone doesn’t have a clue, and it’s not you Robert. I think I just may go all gruber on his ass…. http://daringfireball.net/2007/02/macrovision_translation

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  50. Just like a lot of other people that work at MS, Alfred, on his blog sounds like a snotty, regressed jerk, who is just looking for an excuse to lash out at somebody.

    Developers’ job is developing technology, and a reporters job is to report it.

    His article reminds me of the Bush white house and how they want to control the media.

    “What would you recommend I do Robert? What would you do in my position?”

    I know this wasn’t directed at me, but I would shut up and let Scoble do his free hallway report. You wonder why so many people are switching to Ubuntu and Linux now.
    Yeah, I have MSDN pro, go ahead and revoke it if you want. It was a waste of money and it collects dust. If not for the lesser technology for the the horrible attitude at the company amongst other things.

    I’m going to the RedHat summit. 3 days, food included, not just chips, and nice people. My certification money also went into RHCE. Suck on that.

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  51. Just like a lot of other people that work at MS, Alfred, on his blog sounds like a snotty, regressed jerk, who is just looking for an excuse to lash out at somebody.

    Developers’ job is developing technology, and a reporters job is to report it.

    His article reminds me of the Bush white house and how they want to control the media.

    “What would you recommend I do Robert? What would you do in my position?”

    I know this wasn’t directed at me, but I would shut up and let Scoble do his free hallway report. You wonder why so many people are switching to Ubuntu and Linux now.
    Yeah, I have MSDN pro, go ahead and revoke it if you want. It was a waste of money and it collects dust. If not for the lesser technology for the the horrible attitude at the company amongst other things.

    I’m going to the RedHat summit. 3 days, food included, not just chips, and nice people. My certification money also went into RHCE. Suck on that.

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  52. Doesnt the headline for Mix say something like ’72 hour conversation’. Looks to me more like the typical Microsoft endless monolog continuing as before.

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  53. Doesnt the headline for Mix say something like ’72 hour conversation’. Looks to me more like the typical Microsoft endless monolog continuing as before.

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  54. Alfred,
    You are an idiot. Mike Arington is one of the headlines of Mix. He doesn’t even understand web2.0 or spell it. He just hypes it. Now your pissed at wired. Give me a break. You are just pissed that the press has a scorecard and Microsoft is getting beatened bad in the market. The developers are leaving in droves. I’m an ex developer and everyone knows this… so instead of bring press you bring hype masters and conference organizers.

    On the web 2.0 thing half the world doesn’t even understand what it means… i’d be curious to see what microsoft’s definition is. Oh you have to invite Mike Arrington and Tim O’Reilly to help you there.

    Microsoft is sliding into the land of irrelevant..

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  55. Alfred,
    You are an idiot. Mike Arington is one of the headlines of Mix. He doesn’t even understand web2.0 or spell it. He just hypes it. Now your pissed at wired. Give me a break. You are just pissed that the press has a scorecard and Microsoft is getting beatened bad in the market. The developers are leaving in droves. I’m an ex developer and everyone knows this… so instead of bring press you bring hype masters and conference organizers.

    On the web 2.0 thing half the world doesn’t even understand what it means… i’d be curious to see what microsoft’s definition is. Oh you have to invite Mike Arrington and Tim O’Reilly to help you there.

    Microsoft is sliding into the land of irrelevant..

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  56. No one said Robert couldn’t or shouldn’t do his hallway reporting. Lots of comments on things I didn’t say. Not many on things I did say.

    I just wish I had the maturity and writing skill of people here. I will have to learn how to call people “a snotty, regressed jerk” or “an elitest twat.” Much more mature and friendly than “irrelevent.” To say nothing of more convincing! Gotta love the Internet.

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  57. No one said Robert couldn’t or shouldn’t do his hallway reporting. Lots of comments on things I didn’t say. Not many on things I did say.

    I just wish I had the maturity and writing skill of people here. I will have to learn how to call people “a snotty, regressed jerk” or “an elitest twat.” Much more mature and friendly than “irrelevent.” To say nothing of more convincing! Gotta love the Internet.

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  58. Stop taking yourself so seriously, let it roll off. Perhaps you are irrelevant to Web 2.0.

    * no snarkiness intended. 🙂

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  59. Stop taking yourself so seriously, let it roll off. Perhaps you are irrelevant to Web 2.0.

    * no snarkiness intended. 🙂

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  60. Scoble, I hate to break it to you, but you are NOT technical by any means. Asking about a few APIs isn’t much. Compare your Channel9 vids with those that Rory has made since you left, and there’s simply no comparison wrt the technical questions that Rory can bring to the table.

    Your interviews fall somewhere between on10.net and Channel9, which is fine, but developers don’t get much meat from your vids.

    But this is just another one of your “I’m Scoble the Great! Forbes says so!!” blog entries. *yawn*

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  61. Scoble, I hate to break it to you, but you are NOT technical by any means. Asking about a few APIs isn’t much. Compare your Channel9 vids with those that Rory has made since you left, and there’s simply no comparison wrt the technical questions that Rory can bring to the table.

    Your interviews fall somewhere between on10.net and Channel9, which is fine, but developers don’t get much meat from your vids.

    But this is just another one of your “I’m Scoble the Great! Forbes says so!!” blog entries. *yawn*

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  62. “Oh, and this isn’t the first time a Microsoft employee has gone after me after I’ve left Microsoft. So, since this is a continuing theme, I’m going to start assuming that Microsoft as a whole has started going after me.”

    Paranoia setting in. One of the signs of delusions of grandeur, which is increasingly evident in your blog.

    Now, you say, “this isn’t the first time a MS employee has gone after me…”, well this isn’t the first time that you trashed Microsoft either. To put it another way, this isn’t the first time you trashed the vehicle that made you famous. The only reason you have more cred than other bloggers, that you have more readers than other bloggers, and that you are an “a-list blogger” (God, I hate that term) is because of your time at Microsoft. Then you got too big and went solo, but decided to trash your old friends in attempt to score points with the anti-MS crowd.

    You’re like the lead singer breaks away from his old group to go solo, and decides increase his popularity by publicly trashing his old group. Well, the classy singers aren’t about that. I never saw Lionel Richie trashing the Commodores.

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  63. “Oh, and this isn’t the first time a Microsoft employee has gone after me after I’ve left Microsoft. So, since this is a continuing theme, I’m going to start assuming that Microsoft as a whole has started going after me.”

    Paranoia setting in. One of the signs of delusions of grandeur, which is increasingly evident in your blog.

    Now, you say, “this isn’t the first time a MS employee has gone after me…”, well this isn’t the first time that you trashed Microsoft either. To put it another way, this isn’t the first time you trashed the vehicle that made you famous. The only reason you have more cred than other bloggers, that you have more readers than other bloggers, and that you are an “a-list blogger” (God, I hate that term) is because of your time at Microsoft. Then you got too big and went solo, but decided to trash your old friends in attempt to score points with the anti-MS crowd.

    You’re like the lead singer breaks away from his old group to go solo, and decides increase his popularity by publicly trashing his old group. Well, the classy singers aren’t about that. I never saw Lionel Richie trashing the Commodores.

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  64. Robert – come on! You’ve been in Microsoft long enough to know that the ‘powers that be’ have nothing to do with this post or with any other post that may have been against you.

    You are right that when someone blogs, a lot of the blogosphere unfortunately assumes they speak for their company. You, on the other hand, should know better than equate Alfred’s post to ‘Microsoft is out to get me’.

    When you blogged while inside Microsoft, you still had a distinct indvidual opinion. If you had been equated with Microsoft *all the time*, your post on the marketing site with RSS would have caused headlines saying ‘Microsoft believes teams creating sites without RSS should be fired’. Which definitely isn’t true – it was just *your* opinion. Just like it is *Alfred’s opinion” that you shouldn’t be given an invite to Mix. An opinion that I and a lot of others don’t agree with.

    If you don’t agree with him, take him out to the parking lot and settle it in the good ol’ fashioned way 🙂

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  65. Robert – come on! You’ve been in Microsoft long enough to know that the ‘powers that be’ have nothing to do with this post or with any other post that may have been against you.

    You are right that when someone blogs, a lot of the blogosphere unfortunately assumes they speak for their company. You, on the other hand, should know better than equate Alfred’s post to ‘Microsoft is out to get me’.

    When you blogged while inside Microsoft, you still had a distinct indvidual opinion. If you had been equated with Microsoft *all the time*, your post on the marketing site with RSS would have caused headlines saying ‘Microsoft believes teams creating sites without RSS should be fired’. Which definitely isn’t true – it was just *your* opinion. Just like it is *Alfred’s opinion” that you shouldn’t be given an invite to Mix. An opinion that I and a lot of others don’t agree with.

    If you don’t agree with him, take him out to the parking lot and settle it in the good ol’ fashioned way 🙂

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  66. “I just wish I had the maturity and writing skill of people here. I will have to learn how to call people “a snotty, regressed jerk” or “an elitest twat.” Much more mature and friendly than “irrelevent.””

    http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=303144

    What’s that Alfred?

    Somebody wrote an unfavorable wired article about one of Microsoft’s marketing sites?
    So this is how MS punishes the press or keeps them on the leash?
    What MS did there is make a public spectacle out of it in consequence.

    “No one said Robert couldn’t or shouldn’t do his hallway reporting. Lots of comments on things I didn’t say. Not many on things I did say.”

    Then nobody should bother him if and when he does.

    http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/?sc_cid=bcm_bnrhpsummit_032

    I bet if Robert goes here he could get in free as a member of the press, and I bet he would be treated a lot better. RHEL users use Seagate drives too.

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  67. “I just wish I had the maturity and writing skill of people here. I will have to learn how to call people “a snotty, regressed jerk” or “an elitest twat.” Much more mature and friendly than “irrelevent.””

    http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=303144

    What’s that Alfred?

    Somebody wrote an unfavorable wired article about one of Microsoft’s marketing sites?
    So this is how MS punishes the press or keeps them on the leash?
    What MS did there is make a public spectacle out of it in consequence.

    “No one said Robert couldn’t or shouldn’t do his hallway reporting. Lots of comments on things I didn’t say. Not many on things I did say.”

    Then nobody should bother him if and when he does.

    http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/?sc_cid=bcm_bnrhpsummit_032

    I bet if Robert goes here he could get in free as a member of the press, and I bet he would be treated a lot better. RHEL users use Seagate drives too.

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  68. Scoble, I notice that Alfred has two blogs, a Live Spaces blog and an MSDN blog. The blog that you’re talking about is on the Live Spaces blog, that looks to be a personal blog, not a “Microsoft” blog, per se. (I know that some MS employees do use Live Spaces as their “Microsoft” blog, but that doesn’t appear to be the case here; it looks like Alfred’s MSDN blog is his “Microsoft” blog).

    So, that would indicate that he was speaking for himself, not voicing an official Microsoft position.

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  69. Scoble, I notice that Alfred has two blogs, a Live Spaces blog and an MSDN blog. The blog that you’re talking about is on the Live Spaces blog, that looks to be a personal blog, not a “Microsoft” blog, per se. (I know that some MS employees do use Live Spaces as their “Microsoft” blog, but that doesn’t appear to be the case here; it looks like Alfred’s MSDN blog is his “Microsoft” blog).

    So, that would indicate that he was speaking for himself, not voicing an official Microsoft position.

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  70. This made me laugh when I read it – the key reason I’m going to Mix (all the way from England) is to try and connect with Scoble and others (I want to show off our new realtime collaborative outliner) – personally, the conference track is completely secondary to meeting people (as I’m sure it is for a lot of people)

    I’d assumed Scoble would be going, just not stuck out in the lobby – I could have saved myself 500 quid and hung out in the lobby with the cool guys all along!

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  71. This made me laugh when I read it – the key reason I’m going to Mix (all the way from England) is to try and connect with Scoble and others (I want to show off our new realtime collaborative outliner) – personally, the conference track is completely secondary to meeting people (as I’m sure it is for a lot of people)

    I’d assumed Scoble would be going, just not stuck out in the lobby – I could have saved myself 500 quid and hung out in the lobby with the cool guys all along!

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  72. @53
    Chris, I see that your url is to beercosoftware.com. Are you that “Beer” guy that used to troll Channel9? Or are you perhaps “ChrisA”, that trolls Channel9 and OSNews with anti-MS bile, with posts so ridiculous that even other MS bashers are loathe to claim you as one of your own? Are you both “Beer” and “ChrisA”? Just curious.

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  73. @53
    Chris, I see that your url is to beercosoftware.com. Are you that “Beer” guy that used to troll Channel9? Or are you perhaps “ChrisA”, that trolls Channel9 and OSNews with anti-MS bile, with posts so ridiculous that even other MS bashers are loathe to claim you as one of your own? Are you both “Beer” and “ChrisA”? Just curious.

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  74. This is just classic Microsoft. They over-engineer, but in a gimmicky way, not in an important way. Over-emphasize the developer community. They never quite understand that there’s another world of people out there that watches what they do. You don’t have to know how to code Vista to understand that people don’t want to deal with its issues. You want to give the Dune the benefit of the doubt, but you know it just won’t cut it in the long run. Microsoft has lost control of the message. No one listens to them anymore. That’s why they’re not interested in the media.

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  75. This is just classic Microsoft. They over-engineer, but in a gimmicky way, not in an important way. Over-emphasize the developer community. They never quite understand that there’s another world of people out there that watches what they do. You don’t have to know how to code Vista to understand that people don’t want to deal with its issues. You want to give the Dune the benefit of the doubt, but you know it just won’t cut it in the long run. Microsoft has lost control of the message. No one listens to them anymore. That’s why they’re not interested in the media.

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  76. Preston, if “No one listens to them [Microsoft] anymore”, then why are Scoble, Wired’s “Fred”, and others crying about not getting invites to Mix?

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  77. Preston, if “No one listens to them [Microsoft] anymore”, then why are Scoble, Wired’s “Fred”, and others crying about not getting invites to Mix?

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  78. Microsoft is so keyed into the entire Web 2.0 movement, you have to sign in with a Windows Live ID to comment on Alfred’s blog. Who wants a Windows Live ID? Not me. How anti-web 2.0 can a blog get?

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  79. Microsoft is so keyed into the entire Web 2.0 movement, you have to sign in with a Windows Live ID to comment on Alfred’s blog. Who wants a Windows Live ID? Not me. How anti-web 2.0 can a blog get?

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  80. Whether Alfred likes it or not, Robert is at least interested in Web 2.0 enough to think that Mix might have some interesting stuff worth covering. I don’t always like Robert’s approach but he definately does pop up in a lot of places that I’m interested in as a developer who can’t attend every event so I’m interested in what he discovers. Obviously, I’m not going to get my ‘developer’ insight solely from his posts or videos but at least he helps me to decide what I might want to spend some time on learning more about. What I don’t like is the fact that MS (or Alfred at least) thinks that Robert isn’t technical enough to report on what he sees…would a ‘real’ developer be better at reporting? They aren’t ‘reporters’.

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  81. Whether Alfred likes it or not, Robert is at least interested in Web 2.0 enough to think that Mix might have some interesting stuff worth covering. I don’t always like Robert’s approach but he definately does pop up in a lot of places that I’m interested in as a developer who can’t attend every event so I’m interested in what he discovers. Obviously, I’m not going to get my ‘developer’ insight solely from his posts or videos but at least he helps me to decide what I might want to spend some time on learning more about. What I don’t like is the fact that MS (or Alfred at least) thinks that Robert isn’t technical enough to report on what he sees…would a ‘real’ developer be better at reporting? They aren’t ‘reporters’.

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  82. “Shhhhhh. I’ve learned from several companies that they are getting paid to build apps for Microsoft and I know of several people at Mix who are getting paid to come attend. I wonder if anyone will disclose what they are getting paid?”

    No sh!t. Anyone building with Silverlight is. That’s why your video of whatver company that was using it was irrelevant: you should have asked them about that. That would have made you more relevant. Instead you’ll just whisper about it because now you’re miffed because you are irrelevant.

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  83. “Shhhhhh. I’ve learned from several companies that they are getting paid to build apps for Microsoft and I know of several people at Mix who are getting paid to come attend. I wonder if anyone will disclose what they are getting paid?”

    No sh!t. Anyone building with Silverlight is. That’s why your video of whatver company that was using it was irrelevant: you should have asked them about that. That would have made you more relevant. Instead you’ll just whisper about it because now you’re miffed because you are irrelevant.

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  84. Well, Scoble, if you were smart enough to have bought a ticket to Mix then this wouldn’t be an issue, would it. I think the point here is why do you think you need to be comped? If you think Mix is that important and your readers will find your postings relevant, why didn’t have the foresight to PAY to go? I’m sure MS will happily take anyone’s money.

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  85. Well, Scoble, if you were smart enough to have bought a ticket to Mix then this wouldn’t be an issue, would it. I think the point here is why do you think you need to be comped? If you think Mix is that important and your readers will find your postings relevant, why didn’t have the foresight to PAY to go? I’m sure MS will happily take anyone’s money.

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  86. I’m a developer and enjoy your videos and insight on Web 2.0. You don’t get in the way of the subject so the technical information comes through. Microsoft could use all the help they can get.

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  87. I’m a developer and enjoy your videos and insight on Web 2.0. You don’t get in the way of the subject so the technical information comes through. Microsoft could use all the help they can get.

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  88. Alfred *is* right. It’s hilarious that you really think you’re so important that you throw an absolute hissy fit when someone won’t give you free admission to an event.

    You aren’t a celebrity, you’re just main ringleader of a big circlejerkathon in a particularly irrelevant corner of the blogosphere. Grow up already.

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  89. Alfred *is* right. It’s hilarious that you really think you’re so important that you throw an absolute hissy fit when someone won’t give you free admission to an event.

    You aren’t a celebrity, you’re just main ringleader of a big circlejerkathon in a particularly irrelevant corner of the blogosphere. Grow up already.

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  90. Goebbels, “Anyone building with Silverlight is” (…getting paid to build apps for Microsoft).

    Not me. No one’s paying me to develop with Silverlight and I know there are other developers, just like me, that aren’t being paid to do it either. I use it because it looks to have potential. I like the declarative model; I like its core list of rendering capabilities; and for me, I learn by coding.

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  91. I understand their feelings completely. I’m building a house to live in, and the carpenter has told me that I’m completely irrelevant. He said that just because I’m the customer, have the checkbook, know the most about my needs and will be the one approving his work I really shouldn’t get so pissy.

    I’d really like someone to explain to me what MIX is supposed to be, what the goals are, and how they measure success. (Answer must be in less than 25 words, no marketing lingo, and no use of “enable” anywhere in the description.)

    Give it a shot, ScobleLizards!

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  92. I understand their feelings completely. I’m building a house to live in, and the carpenter has told me that I’m completely irrelevant. He said that just because I’m the customer, have the checkbook, know the most about my needs and will be the one approving his work I really shouldn’t get so pissy.

    I’d really like someone to explain to me what MIX is supposed to be, what the goals are, and how they measure success. (Answer must be in less than 25 words, no marketing lingo, and no use of “enable” anywhere in the description.)

    Give it a shot, ScobleLizards!

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  93. Goebbels, “Anyone building with Silverlight is” (…getting paid to build apps for Microsoft).

    Not me. No one’s paying me to develop with Silverlight and I know there are other developers, just like me, that aren’t being paid to do it either. I use it because it looks to have potential. I like the declarative model; I like its core list of rendering capabilities; and for me, I learn by coding.

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  94. A lot of you don’t realize that Scoble can deduct the admission price from his company’s income taxes. Whether he pays or not, neither he, nor podtech.networks will end up actually paying for it. Unless they are in the red completely and can’t deduct any more for that reason.

    Otherwise it’s an expense.

    Checkout podtech.net’s site and do HTTP live headers with firefox. It’s running Ubuntu. Scoble is running Macs.
    I would suspect there is something else at work here than simple admission price.

    I hope Scoble does show up to the Red Hat summit, because that’s where the real info will be discussed as far as the next gen of computing, not in Las Vegas.

    And fear not, Red Hat didn’t have to pay anyone to build on their platform.

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  95. A lot of you don’t realize that Scoble can deduct the admission price from his company’s income taxes. Whether he pays or not, neither he, nor podtech.networks will end up actually paying for it. Unless they are in the red completely and can’t deduct any more for that reason.

    Otherwise it’s an expense.

    Checkout podtech.net’s site and do HTTP live headers with firefox. It’s running Ubuntu. Scoble is running Macs.
    I would suspect there is something else at work here than simple admission price.

    I hope Scoble does show up to the Red Hat summit, because that’s where the real info will be discussed as far as the next gen of computing, not in Las Vegas.

    And fear not, Red Hat didn’t have to pay anyone to build on their platform.

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  96. Alfred Irrelevant: please don’t call people idiots in my comment field. I don’t care if you call me an idiot, but I’d rather you didn’t attack people on my behalf like that here. Thanks.

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  97. Alfred Irrelevant: please don’t call people idiots in my comment field. I don’t care if you call me an idiot, but I’d rather you didn’t attack people on my behalf like that here. Thanks.

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  98. As a former Technet, MSDN and MCSE(almost) member I’ve been to numerous MS brainwashing sessions. I also had a Novell CNE working for me at one time, and a neighbor who talked me into being an Amway dealer for a year. Guess what? All the same thing.

    As a Microsoft developer you get discounts on tools that allow you to develop products that (lo and behold) only work on Windows and most likely require APIs that in turn require Office and IE.

    Some of the speakers you mentioned are probably there because they have a financial interest in the “network” (MS advertising in magazines, MS oriented book publishing), but I bet some are there just for show too, keeping up the pretense that MS technologies are “open”. In this regard I think they made a mistake by not inviting you, and thanks to this guy’s ineptitude they are now beyond the point of being able to rectify it without looking even more anal than they already do.

    Once you take the filtered glasses off you see almost everything MS does for what it is, and it has nothing to do with technology (except in a few rare instances by pure coincidence).

    MS thinks (and with some good reason) that if they can get a significant portion of Web 2.0 (or Web anything really) to use their tools for development they can make ownership of their client software a prerequisite for using that significant portion. I know people who swore by Frontpage, because they were lazy they refused to care that it generated sluggish, buggy and incompatible web pages. If only 80 percent of viewers could see the page as it was intended to look that was good enough for them. I’ll wager most of the attendees at this conference have the same attitude.

    The biggest lesson (some) users are finally starting to learn is to avoid lock-in. Once you get that message almost nothing else matters. The EU understands it, I think parts of Brazil do, China to some extent. But at a less measurable level thousands of SMBs and even enclaves within large companies. Let’s see if the old MS techniques still have their mojo.

    I’m betting against.

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  99. As a former Technet, MSDN and MCSE(almost) member I’ve been to numerous MS brainwashing sessions. I also had a Novell CNE working for me at one time, and a neighbor who talked me into being an Amway dealer for a year. Guess what? All the same thing.

    As a Microsoft developer you get discounts on tools that allow you to develop products that (lo and behold) only work on Windows and most likely require APIs that in turn require Office and IE.

    Some of the speakers you mentioned are probably there because they have a financial interest in the “network” (MS advertising in magazines, MS oriented book publishing), but I bet some are there just for show too, keeping up the pretense that MS technologies are “open”. In this regard I think they made a mistake by not inviting you, and thanks to this guy’s ineptitude they are now beyond the point of being able to rectify it without looking even more anal than they already do.

    Once you take the filtered glasses off you see almost everything MS does for what it is, and it has nothing to do with technology (except in a few rare instances by pure coincidence).

    MS thinks (and with some good reason) that if they can get a significant portion of Web 2.0 (or Web anything really) to use their tools for development they can make ownership of their client software a prerequisite for using that significant portion. I know people who swore by Frontpage, because they were lazy they refused to care that it generated sluggish, buggy and incompatible web pages. If only 80 percent of viewers could see the page as it was intended to look that was good enough for them. I’ll wager most of the attendees at this conference have the same attitude.

    The biggest lesson (some) users are finally starting to learn is to avoid lock-in. Once you get that message almost nothing else matters. The EU understands it, I think parts of Brazil do, China to some extent. But at a less measurable level thousands of SMBs and even enclaves within large companies. Let’s see if the old MS techniques still have their mojo.

    I’m betting against.

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  100. @macbeach

    “MS thinks (and with some good reason) that if they can get a significant portion of Web 2.0 (or Web anything really) to use their tools for development they can make ownership of their client software a prerequisite for using that significant portion.”

    You must be speaking of Microsoft ten years ago. Ask people around you who are close to MSFTees and you’ll see that much has changed internally in terms of strategy.

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  101. @macbeach

    “MS thinks (and with some good reason) that if they can get a significant portion of Web 2.0 (or Web anything really) to use their tools for development they can make ownership of their client software a prerequisite for using that significant portion.”

    You must be speaking of Microsoft ten years ago. Ask people around you who are close to MSFTees and you’ll see that much has changed internally in terms of strategy.

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  102. Needs an MSN ID to post to his blog? No problem I got one. I see I’m not the only one who tried out “live spaces” or whatever they are calling it this week and never got around to actually using it for anything:

    http://shellcity.spaces.live.com/

    Shellcity is of course my word for Microsoft’s relationship to software. But you have to say it several times real fast to get it.

    You’ve made my day Robert. I can go out and enjoy the lovely beach weather today and wait for the tide to come in tonight on all of this.

    (I think it’s a low news day anyway.)

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  103. Needs an MSN ID to post to his blog? No problem I got one. I see I’m not the only one who tried out “live spaces” or whatever they are calling it this week and never got around to actually using it for anything:

    http://shellcity.spaces.live.com/

    Shellcity is of course my word for Microsoft’s relationship to software. But you have to say it several times real fast to get it.

    You’ve made my day Robert. I can go out and enjoy the lovely beach weather today and wait for the tide to come in tonight on all of this.

    (I think it’s a low news day anyway.)

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  104. @macbeach

    “MS thinks (and with some good reason) that if they can get a significant portion of Web 2.0 (or Web anything really) to use their tools for development they can make ownership of their client software a prerequisite for using that significant portion.”

    Click to access 684.pdf

    Too get a good feel for the present, all one needs to do is look to the not so distant past.

    If only web 2.0 were real and not hype du jour. MS would actually have a dragon to slay. In the absence of that, we can observe them swinging their air swords with “LIVE”. OMG, it’s f’ing LIVE! WoW.

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  105. @macbeach

    “MS thinks (and with some good reason) that if they can get a significant portion of Web 2.0 (or Web anything really) to use their tools for development they can make ownership of their client software a prerequisite for using that significant portion.”

    Click to access 684.pdf

    Too get a good feel for the present, all one needs to do is look to the not so distant past.

    If only web 2.0 were real and not hype du jour. MS would actually have a dragon to slay. In the absence of that, we can observe them swinging their air swords with “LIVE”. OMG, it’s f’ing LIVE! WoW.

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  106. “You blokes look uptight. You should try logging off, it relieves tension.” Ray Tracer (ReBoot, “The Return of the Crimson Binome”, v.3.3.1)

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  107. “You blokes look uptight. You should try logging off, it relieves tension.” Ray Tracer (ReBoot, “The Return of the Crimson Binome”, v.3.3.1)

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  108. Wired lost out because it waited a week before the event to ask for one. Presumptious register on your radar? Sense of Entitlement? I am paying to go to Mix and I planned to go 2 months before. How are you better than me? Why would you get in free and I wouldn’t and at the last minute? If your work for such a prestigious magazine why can’t you afford to plan and buy a ticket in? These are the questions Wired is facing.

    Scoble, If you asked in the last 2 weeks I would consider your request equally rediculious. Waiting is the issue. I think if you can wait to ask than you can wait 24 hours after something happens at mix for the Videos on VisitMix.com. Plan ahead or wait in the lobby:)

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  109. Wired lost out because it waited a week before the event to ask for one. Presumptious register on your radar? Sense of Entitlement? I am paying to go to Mix and I planned to go 2 months before. How are you better than me? Why would you get in free and I wouldn’t and at the last minute? If your work for such a prestigious magazine why can’t you afford to plan and buy a ticket in? These are the questions Wired is facing.

    Scoble, If you asked in the last 2 weeks I would consider your request equally rediculious. Waiting is the issue. I think if you can wait to ask than you can wait 24 hours after something happens at mix for the Videos on VisitMix.com. Plan ahead or wait in the lobby:)

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  110. Why did this thread degenerate into just another MS-bashfest featuring the usual bashers, Welch, Goebbels, Chris (aka Beer), et al? You guys repeat the same stuff in every one of Scoble’s posts, most of it not relevant to the topic at hand.

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  111. Why did this thread degenerate into just another MS-bashfest featuring the usual bashers, Welch, Goebbels, Chris (aka Beer), et al? You guys repeat the same stuff in every one of Scoble’s posts, most of it not relevant to the topic at hand.

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  112. I do not know if this Alfred is talking on the behalf of Microsoft but one thing is sure: he is an idiot and those not seem to understand what evangelism is about.

    On the other hand, I am not sure MSFT has that many good news to carry out these days and as such they are probably looking for channels which are dumber and can relay a message without asking too many questions. (Although I have to say that I found your Adobe interviews not as aggressive as Scoble can be – for example, it would have been nice to push them around support around standards, better integrations with the 100+ AJAX frameworks instead of re-inventing the wheel, about the future of flash in an AJAX world and potential convergence).

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  113. I do not know if this Alfred is talking on the behalf of Microsoft but one thing is sure: he is an idiot and those not seem to understand what evangelism is about.

    On the other hand, I am not sure MSFT has that many good news to carry out these days and as such they are probably looking for channels which are dumber and can relay a message without asking too many questions. (Although I have to say that I found your Adobe interviews not as aggressive as Scoble can be – for example, it would have been nice to push them around support around standards, better integrations with the 100+ AJAX frameworks instead of re-inventing the wheel, about the future of flash in an AJAX world and potential convergence).

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  114. @Edwin

    “On the other hand, I am not sure MSFT has that many good news to carry out these days and as such they are probably looking for channels which are dumber and can relay a message without asking too many questions.”

    Thanks, Dude! This one really really made my day ;))

    Well, if that’s what you do actually think, I stongly suggest that you keep your eyes and ears open next week. We’ll talk about this later 😉

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  115. @Edwin

    “On the other hand, I am not sure MSFT has that many good news to carry out these days and as such they are probably looking for channels which are dumber and can relay a message without asking too many questions.”

    Thanks, Dude! This one really really made my day ;))

    Well, if that’s what you do actually think, I stongly suggest that you keep your eyes and ears open next week. We’ll talk about this later 😉

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  116. Dude.

    There are exactly one bajillion ways you could have written this post and your comments without being so…

    Well, maybe not.

    You’re such a wiener.

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  117. Dude.

    There are exactly one bajillion ways you could have written this post and your comments without being so…

    Well, maybe not.

    You’re such a wiener.

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  118. You are learning how non-conforming journalists are victimized by a vendictive Microsoft and WaggEd — a campaign the two have waged since the late 1980s on any reporter who dared to question the MS line.

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  119. You are learning how non-conforming journalists are victimized by a vendictive Microsoft and WaggEd — a campaign the two have waged since the late 1980s on any reporter who dared to question the MS line.

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  120. @Mike

    It’s almost a PSA of some sorts. Besides, Mix is a rip off. Look at what you get at RH Summit: http://redhat.com/promo/summit/ 3 days, food, lodging, GOOD speakers, ect… I have a doctors appointment in Montreal and I am desperately trying to reschedule so I can still make it. At any rate, guess how much Linux world costs? NOTHING, only if you take certification labs. What the hell are you paying for at Mix? To be marketed to for 3 days a bag of chips? Sad, sad, sad….. That should be free. Hell, Microsoft should be paying YOU to go to mix. They paid people to go to E3 2 years ago and cross their arms in an X shape. Why shouldn’t Scoble and the Wired reporter be paid just to show up? It’s not like they’re going there for their health either. They are trying to report news. You Mike are going there to be a fanboy.

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  121. @Mike

    It’s almost a PSA of some sorts. Besides, Mix is a rip off. Look at what you get at RH Summit: http://redhat.com/promo/summit/ 3 days, food, lodging, GOOD speakers, ect… I have a doctors appointment in Montreal and I am desperately trying to reschedule so I can still make it. At any rate, guess how much Linux world costs? NOTHING, only if you take certification labs. What the hell are you paying for at Mix? To be marketed to for 3 days a bag of chips? Sad, sad, sad….. That should be free. Hell, Microsoft should be paying YOU to go to mix. They paid people to go to E3 2 years ago and cross their arms in an X shape. Why shouldn’t Scoble and the Wired reporter be paid just to show up? It’s not like they’re going there for their health either. They are trying to report news. You Mike are going there to be a fanboy.

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  122. http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=303421#303421
    “As a result one less Microsoft Employee attending Mix. ”

    He’s breaking everybody’s heart.
    These are self imposed limitations. MS rented the space at the hotel. Nobody is going to stop them from pulling in another chair.

    http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=303144#303144
    “Some thought he should dress up as Elvis and others felt he should be a special Channel 9 correspondent to attend. ”

    Way to humiliate the man. Just like Marc McDonald claimed I was selling GUIDs on ebay for no good reason.
    I can’t wait for the day when we no longer have to put up with this software company.

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  123. http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=303421#303421
    “As a result one less Microsoft Employee attending Mix. ”

    He’s breaking everybody’s heart.
    These are self imposed limitations. MS rented the space at the hotel. Nobody is going to stop them from pulling in another chair.

    http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=303144#303144
    “Some thought he should dress up as Elvis and others felt he should be a special Channel 9 correspondent to attend. ”

    Way to humiliate the man. Just like Marc McDonald claimed I was selling GUIDs on ebay for no good reason.
    I can’t wait for the day when we no longer have to put up with this software company.

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  124. @81 — Buy a ticket in? The media? You really have no clue how this biz really works.

    Non-conforming journalists are victimized? Actually Microsoft is pretty darned nice, compare that to Apple which demands worship and will seriously go out of their way to blacklist and nail on wall. Microsoft, as most mature companies (and even the US Congress), has learnt, enemy today, friend tomorrow. Short memories are the keys to success.

    But you also have to have a sense of the news biz too, they need a story to pitch, a proxy to field, a nugget to tug at, so you will get simpilistic Adobe vs. Microsoft stories, that don’t really capture reality, nor please a highly technical audience, yet it’s a good drama story arc hook for the readers and editors. Real life isn’t a TV show, but it has to be written like it is. Cry a river, if you don’t like it, but it’s just the way the world works.

    But playing class warfare games (Developer vs. Media) is playing with raw political fire, which seems a skillset at Microsoft of late, taking the internal infighting external.

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  125. @81 — Buy a ticket in? The media? You really have no clue how this biz really works.

    Non-conforming journalists are victimized? Actually Microsoft is pretty darned nice, compare that to Apple which demands worship and will seriously go out of their way to blacklist and nail on wall. Microsoft, as most mature companies (and even the US Congress), has learnt, enemy today, friend tomorrow. Short memories are the keys to success.

    But you also have to have a sense of the news biz too, they need a story to pitch, a proxy to field, a nugget to tug at, so you will get simpilistic Adobe vs. Microsoft stories, that don’t really capture reality, nor please a highly technical audience, yet it’s a good drama story arc hook for the readers and editors. Real life isn’t a TV show, but it has to be written like it is. Cry a river, if you don’t like it, but it’s just the way the world works.

    But playing class warfare games (Developer vs. Media) is playing with raw political fire, which seems a skillset at Microsoft of late, taking the internal infighting external.

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  127. “Although I have to say that I found your Adobe interviews not as aggressive as Scoble can be …”

    ???
    When was Scoble ever “aggressive”? He always sucks up to the interviewee, getting out of the way to let the guy talk about his project. That’s what he’s about, which is fine. I’ve never seen him go “Tim Russert” on anyone.

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  128. “Although I have to say that I found your Adobe interviews not as aggressive as Scoble can be …”

    ???
    When was Scoble ever “aggressive”? He always sucks up to the interviewee, getting out of the way to let the guy talk about his project. That’s what he’s about, which is fine. I’ve never seen him go “Tim Russert” on anyone.

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  129. @92 “Buy a ticket in? The media? You really have no clue how this biz really works.”

    It’s up to Microsoft how they dole out their press passes. Is Wired on their list? Maybe, maybe not. At the end of the day, it’s for MS to decide. As for Scoble, well he can delude himself all he wants into thinking he is “the press” but he’s a blogger. Now, does PodTech qualify as “the press”. Again, that’s for Microsoft to decide. But, I don’t “a list” bloggers should feel like they deserve the same level of credentials. Now I know Scoble will say “but bloggers are jounalists”. Well, they may think they are. But when it comes to events like this, it’s up to the owner of the event to determine who “a journalist” is.

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  130. @92 “Buy a ticket in? The media? You really have no clue how this biz really works.”

    It’s up to Microsoft how they dole out their press passes. Is Wired on their list? Maybe, maybe not. At the end of the day, it’s for MS to decide. As for Scoble, well he can delude himself all he wants into thinking he is “the press” but he’s a blogger. Now, does PodTech qualify as “the press”. Again, that’s for Microsoft to decide. But, I don’t “a list” bloggers should feel like they deserve the same level of credentials. Now I know Scoble will say “but bloggers are jounalists”. Well, they may think they are. But when it comes to events like this, it’s up to the owner of the event to determine who “a journalist” is.

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  131. LayZ: I’m now a monthly writer for Fast Company Magazine, so no longer just “a blogger.”

    They have 700,000 circulation, so a bit more than my blog reaches.

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  132. LayZ: I’m now a monthly writer for Fast Company Magazine, so no longer just “a blogger.”

    They have 700,000 circulation, so a bit more than my blog reaches.

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  133. Alfred Thompson, Andrew Rashbass, Mike Arrington and Tim O’Reilly are all absolutely irrelevant to Web 2.0.

    Web 2.0 has nothing to do with content. Those who were concerned with posting content on the web and had important enough things to say could do it all before “blogs made it easy”.

    I couldn’t say for sure whether you’re more irrelevant but those guys are so bottom of the barrel it’s not even worth competing with them.

    Web 2.0 is actually about making sites and driving traffic without any content. Here, the communications experts think this is a new opportunity for their skills where in fact they are being replaced by automation.

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  134. Alfred Thompson, Andrew Rashbass, Mike Arrington and Tim O’Reilly are all absolutely irrelevant to Web 2.0.

    Web 2.0 has nothing to do with content. Those who were concerned with posting content on the web and had important enough things to say could do it all before “blogs made it easy”.

    I couldn’t say for sure whether you’re more irrelevant but those guys are so bottom of the barrel it’s not even worth competing with them.

    Web 2.0 is actually about making sites and driving traffic without any content. Here, the communications experts think this is a new opportunity for their skills where in fact they are being replaced by automation.

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  135. @96….

    Hey, how bout that. yawn.

    Still doesn’t mean MS finds your relevant enough to comp you.

    [audio src="http://www.wunderkraut.com/sounds/simpsons/homer/makebelv.wav" /]

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  136. @96….

    Hey, how bout that. yawn.

    Still doesn’t mean MS finds your relevant enough to comp you.

    [audio src="http://www.wunderkraut.com/sounds/simpsons/homer/makebelv.wav" /]

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  137. it’s up to the owner of the event to determine who “a journalist” is.

    True enough. But anyone leaving Wired off, needs to go back to marketing school. Can’t let personal bias’s get in the way, if I held an event, enemies and friends alike. But the dodgeball games are quite unprofessional, single out, character assassinate, roast and belittle whomever you like in an open forum and call it “transparency”. When the wind isn’t at your sails, call them “trolls”. See how easy it can be?

    But End Prog, already spent too much time over this non-issue.

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  138. it’s up to the owner of the event to determine who “a journalist” is.

    True enough. But anyone leaving Wired off, needs to go back to marketing school. Can’t let personal bias’s get in the way, if I held an event, enemies and friends alike. But the dodgeball games are quite unprofessional, single out, character assassinate, roast and belittle whomever you like in an open forum and call it “transparency”. When the wind isn’t at your sails, call them “trolls”. See how easy it can be?

    But End Prog, already spent too much time over this non-issue.

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  139. @98

    “Here, the communications experts think this is a new opportunity for their skills where in fact they are being replaced by automation.”

    yawn, “Web 2.0” isn’t about automation. It’s about a new-“er” interface to the same old content.
    A lot of sites still won’t give out their content via XML API, without charging a fee. If you go and get it via HTTP, and are not simply sampling it ala google, you are violating copyright.
    This has been the case for the past 10 years now.
    Web 2.0 has nothing to do with this. User generated content has been around a LONG time. Remember tripod and angelfire?

    Nothing is being replaced by automation any more than it was a few years ago. “Hype du jour”. Quote me on that. The Web 2.0 bubble never even got close to bursting. It made a small spattering noise then went away.

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  140. @98

    “Here, the communications experts think this is a new opportunity for their skills where in fact they are being replaced by automation.”

    yawn, “Web 2.0” isn’t about automation. It’s about a new-“er” interface to the same old content.
    A lot of sites still won’t give out their content via XML API, without charging a fee. If you go and get it via HTTP, and are not simply sampling it ala google, you are violating copyright.
    This has been the case for the past 10 years now.
    Web 2.0 has nothing to do with this. User generated content has been around a LONG time. Remember tripod and angelfire?

    Nothing is being replaced by automation any more than it was a few years ago. “Hype du jour”. Quote me on that. The Web 2.0 bubble never even got close to bursting. It made a small spattering noise then went away.

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  141. The reason Web 1,2,3.2 is so popular is because most people can’t do real programming. So they put up a website with some php code and think they’ve created a masterpiece to rival that of Linus Torvalds.

    It only works when the tech is brand new, like back 10+ years ago before 1999. It won’t work now that people are tech savvy to the web.

    Most people now are using leech services like rapidshare, youtube, flickr and others. Services that essentially are very hard to make revenue on. Not like the old days when you could put a bicycle shop online and be the ONLY bicycle shop online in the world and make a million bucks at it.

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  142. The reason Web 1,2,3.2 is so popular is because most people can’t do real programming. So they put up a website with some php code and think they’ve created a masterpiece to rival that of Linus Torvalds.

    It only works when the tech is brand new, like back 10+ years ago before 1999. It won’t work now that people are tech savvy to the web.

    Most people now are using leech services like rapidshare, youtube, flickr and others. Services that essentially are very hard to make revenue on. Not like the old days when you could put a bicycle shop online and be the ONLY bicycle shop online in the world and make a million bucks at it.

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  143. @102 Not questioning the intelligence of the decision. That’s a separate conversation. But, for a journalist to assume he has a “right” to attend an event and be comped simply because he is a journalist is naive. You get INVITED. Maybe that’s a word they don’t understand.

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  144. @102 Not questioning the intelligence of the decision. That’s a separate conversation. But, for a journalist to assume he has a “right” to attend an event and be comped simply because he is a journalist is naive. You get INVITED. Maybe that’s a word they don’t understand.

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  145. I’d say Scoble is a legit “journalist”, not because he blogs, but because of the interviews he’s done for PodTech and previously at Channel9. Never heard of “Fast Company” mag, so I won’t comment on that. 😉

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  146. I’d say Scoble is a legit “journalist”, not because he blogs, but because of the interviews he’s done for PodTech and previously at Channel9. Never heard of “Fast Company” mag, so I won’t comment on that. 😉

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  147. “i’m a writer for fast company”

    “I’m this that and the other”

    “I”

    “I”

    “I”

    Get over yourself!

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  148. “i’m a writer for fast company”

    “I’m this that and the other”

    “I”

    “I”

    “I”

    Get over yourself!

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  149. Poor Robert, are those nasty bullies at M$ picking on you again? Maybe you should tell us all how irrelevant MS are, and how you and your cool new influential vally friends think they are a joke. That should make you feel a little better. You could also tell us how great Adobe and Google are while you’re at it.

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  150. Poor Robert, are those nasty bullies at M$ picking on you again? Maybe you should tell us all how irrelevant MS are, and how you and your cool new influential vally friends think they are a joke. That should make you feel a little better. You could also tell us how great Adobe and Google are while you’re at it.

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