There’s a whole lot of copying going on…Yahoo copies Google

Note to myself: if you’re gonna point out the copying going on in someone else’s house, you better not be copying anyone’s stuff yourself!

How do I know this? Well, Matt Cutts, of Google, answers back Jeremy Zawodny of Yahoo, with a very interesting post about copying.

47 thoughts on “There’s a whole lot of copying going on…Yahoo copies Google

  1. I see little point in writing a new post on this, as well as leaving the same point in Matt’s comments AND updating the original post on your blog with the same point.

    Do you believe your readers to be so impossibly dense that they cannot absorb the fundamental point that he who lives in a glass house shouldn’t throw stones?

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  2. I see little point in writing a new post on this, as well as leaving the same point in Matt’s comments AND updating the original post on your blog with the same point.

    Do you believe your readers to be so impossibly dense that they cannot absorb the fundamental point that he who lives in a glass house shouldn’t throw stones?

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  3. Stealing good UI is different than stealing good art design.

    In the case of the IE7 splash page, the art design was lifted. In the case of the sponsored links, it’s possible that what was being lifted from Google was UI — user interface and how it relates to usability — rather than art design choices. This is fundamentally different for a number of reasons. For one, “originality” isn’t really a positive attribute for UI. UI’s don’t strive to be original; only functional. And as new insights are made in UI, they evolve across the industry, with the best UI winning out and becoming more commonplace, while the bad stuff disappears (hopefully).

    Now, I don’t know enough about the Sponsored Links thing to tell whether or not the design changes were for usability or just for the sake of art-design; I’m just pointing out the possibility. As for the IE7 page: folks, don’t blame “Google”, blame a designer who works at Google. People make mistakes all the time.

    It kind of reminds me of this:

    http://commercial-archive.com/508.php

    (no, I’m not trying to invoke Godwin’s law)

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  4. Stealing good UI is different than stealing good art design.

    In the case of the IE7 splash page, the art design was lifted. In the case of the sponsored links, it’s possible that what was being lifted from Google was UI — user interface and how it relates to usability — rather than art design choices. This is fundamentally different for a number of reasons. For one, “originality” isn’t really a positive attribute for UI. UI’s don’t strive to be original; only functional. And as new insights are made in UI, they evolve across the industry, with the best UI winning out and becoming more commonplace, while the bad stuff disappears (hopefully).

    Now, I don’t know enough about the Sponsored Links thing to tell whether or not the design changes were for usability or just for the sake of art-design; I’m just pointing out the possibility. As for the IE7 page: folks, don’t blame “Google”, blame a designer who works at Google. People make mistakes all the time.

    It kind of reminds me of this:

    http://commercial-archive.com/508.php

    (no, I’m not trying to invoke Godwin’s law)

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  5. Jermy & Matt sound like a coupla kids fighting over crap. I mean as though Jermy’s posting itself wasn’t enough, Matt had to reply back with something similar. Shame on both of them.

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  6. Jermy & Matt sound like a coupla kids fighting over crap. I mean as though Jermy’s posting itself wasn’t enough, Matt had to reply back with something similar. Shame on both of them.

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  7. Seems Matt Cutts raises a fair point about Yahoo copying Google’s ad style. However, it seems like a weak appology to come out and say “we’re kinda sorry but they did it too”. They might’ve been better off not appologizing.

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  8. Seems Matt Cutts raises a fair point about Yahoo copying Google’s ad style. However, it seems like a weak appology to come out and say “we’re kinda sorry but they did it too”. They might’ve been better off not appologizing.

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  9. Interesting… Boss Melnitz beat me by one minute! Apologies for, um, copying your post. 🙂 Hey, at least I can admit it. LOL….

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  10. Interesting… Boss Melnitz beat me by one minute! Apologies for, um, copying your post. 🙂 Hey, at least I can admit it. LOL….

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  11. I was just going to point out that Daring Fireball busted Microsoft ripping off Apple’s Workgroup Manager icon, but dave beat me to it.

    So yeah, it’s pretty endemic I’d say.

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  12. I was just going to point out that Daring Fireball busted Microsoft ripping off Apple’s Workgroup Manager icon, but dave beat me to it.

    So yeah, it’s pretty endemic I’d say.

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  13. Trivial, but fun. Google should have taken your excellent advice and taken the Yahoo designers to a very fancy lunch and a movie. 100x ROI on THAT tiny investment in PR. Now it’s just throwing pixels around in the sandbox. Jeremy and Matt are both great sports so hopefully they’ll whip this into a silly blog frenzy.

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  14. Trivial, but fun. Google should have taken your excellent advice and taken the Yahoo designers to a very fancy lunch and a movie. 100x ROI on THAT tiny investment in PR. Now it’s just throwing pixels around in the sandbox. Jeremy and Matt are both great sports so hopefully they’ll whip this into a silly blog frenzy.

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  15. I read your book Naked Conversations, when I was in India. It was a good read, however, a bit redudant. Anyways, I would be using blogging as a tool to communicate with consumers of my company. Although, this is no hi-tech company, it will be interesting to see if over a period of time I can do communicative marketing as you like to say.

    Thanks,
    Tarun
    http://www.buildingblocks.in

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  16. I read your book Naked Conversations, when I was in India. It was a good read, however, a bit redudant. Anyways, I would be using blogging as a tool to communicate with consumers of my company. Although, this is no hi-tech company, it will be interesting to see if over a period of time I can do communicative marketing as you like to say.

    Thanks,
    Tarun
    http://www.buildingblocks.in

    ps – In case if the primary and elementary education scene and use of spirituality in the same interests you at all log on to my blog http://www.kidsdevelopment.blogspot.com

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  17. Clearly whoever made the google page saw (and copied) the Yahoo! page, but it’s possible whoever approved it to go live hadn’t (for example, while I’d heard about the Yahoo page I’d not seen it – last time I tried you couldn’t from a Mac). It’s always safer to not assume the worst.

    Same goes for the Microsoft page – someone copied the icon, but presumably whoever approved that for publishing didn’t know the source.

    As to Matt’s post… no need for people to get so worked up about it.

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  18. Clearly whoever made the google page saw (and copied) the Yahoo! page, but it’s possible whoever approved it to go live hadn’t (for example, while I’d heard about the Yahoo page I’d not seen it – last time I tried you couldn’t from a Mac). It’s always safer to not assume the worst.

    Same goes for the Microsoft page – someone copied the icon, but presumably whoever approved that for publishing didn’t know the source.

    As to Matt’s post… no need for people to get so worked up about it.

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  20. Since google is the subject, can anyone answer why some of the google ads on some sites have those extra ooo’s in them? goooogle?

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  21. Since google is the subject, can anyone answer why some of the google ads on some sites have those extra ooo’s in them? goooogle?

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  22. Matt Cutts should have restricted his apology to just that. Resorting to ‘they did this before we did that’ is plain childish.

    Not to mention the fundemental difference between cloning design styles and wholesale plaigiarism…

    C’mon Matt, be grown up about it and make an unreserved apology.

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  23. Matt Cutts should have restricted his apology to just that. Resorting to ‘they did this before we did that’ is plain childish.

    Not to mention the fundemental difference between cloning design styles and wholesale plaigiarism…

    C’mon Matt, be grown up about it and make an unreserved apology.

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