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I give you a front-row seat on the future. Focusing most of my efforts now on next-generation augmented reality and artificial intelligence, AKA "mixed reality."
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BIO:
Scoble gives you a front-row seat on the future.
Literally. He had the first ride in the first Tesla. Siri was launched in his house. He's been the first to share all sorts of technologies and companies with you, from Flipboard to Pandora to Instagram.
Today he's focusing on mixed reality, AKA "next-generation augmented reality" which will include a new user interface for EVERYTHING in your life (IoT, Smart Cities, driverless cars, robots, drones, etc).
That's based on his view thanks to his past experience as futurist at Rackspace.
Best place to find Scoble? On his Facebook profile at https://www.facebook.com/RobertScoble
He has been a technology blogger since 2000, was one of five people who built Microsoft's Channel 9 video blog/community, worked at Fast Company Magazine running its TV efforts, and has been part of technology media businesses since 1993.
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Apple and Facebook now have revealed their Augmented Reality strategies, which means your business needs one too. Rely on Robert Scoble, the world's top authority on AR, to bring to your conference what businesses should do next.
SPEECH ABSTRACT #1:
TITLE: The Fourth Transformation: What's next in mixed reality (AR and AI) and the future of technology?
Here's an example of this talk at Leade.rs in Paris in April, 2017: https://youtu.be/52_0JshgjXI
Why "the Fourth Transformation?"
Soon we will have phones and glasses that do full on augmented reality. Everything you look at will potentially be augmented. This world is coming in late 2017 with a new iPhone from Apple, amongst other products. Microsoft is betting everything on its HoloLens glasses that do mixed reality and the industry is spending many billions of dollars in R&D and funding new companies like Magic Leap.
This future will be the user interface for IoT, Smart Cities, autonomous cars, robots, drones, and your TV.
This is a big deal and Robert will take you through what mixed reality is and how it will change every business.
Learn more about Robert's speaking style and contact his agent at http://odemanagement.com/robert-scoble/Robert-Scoble.html
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SPEECH ABSTRACT #2:
"The Next Two Clicks of Moore's Law."
Over the next four years, or two clicks of Moore's Law, a ton about our technology world will change. Scoble will bring you the best from his travels visiting R&D labs, startups, and innovators around the world.
He views the world through his rose-colored-mixed-reality glasses, which will be the new user interface for self driving cars, Smart Cities, IoT, and many other things in our world.
He'll send you off with some lessons for companies both large and small.
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SPEECH ABSTRACT #3:
"Personalized Meaning: What is Augmented Reality For?"
As we enter a far more technological world where even cars drive themselves, I predict we'll see a blowback toward the analog, more authentic world.
What role does augmented reality play in both worlds?
Get Scoble's insight into where augmented reality is going, see tons of real-world demos, and understand what he means by 'personalized meaning.'
CONTACT:
If you are looking to contact me, email is best: scobleizer@gmail.com.
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ENDORSEMENTS:
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Time: One of the top 140 Twitterers!
FT: One of the five most influential Twitterers!
Inc. Top 5 on list of Tech Power Players You Need to Know: http://www.inc.com/john-rampton/30-power-players-in-tech-you-need-to-know.html
Next Reality: #4 on top 50 AR influencer list: https://next.reality.news/news/nr50-next-realitys-50-people-watch-augmented-mixed-reality-0177454/
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Doh! I have a little flash piece on my site. Since I am still early on and no one is really bothering with it for now I’ll leave it and looking at changing it later. But seriously lets get to the real crux of the issue here. The problem is you are using Firefox as a browser (duck low and wait for incoming fire….) 😉
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Doh! I have a little flash piece on my site. Since I am still early on and no one is really bothering with it for now I’ll leave it and looking at changing it later. But seriously lets get to the real crux of the issue here. The problem is you are using Firefox as a browser (duck low and wait for incoming fire….) 😉
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What, these people have never heard of a detection script? Its called JavaScript, look it up.
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Scoble, that’s not Flash’s fault, its the lazy/incompetent programmer’s fault.
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What, these people have never heard of a detection script? Its called JavaScript, look it up.
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Scoble, that’s not Flash’s fault, its the lazy/incompetent programmer’s fault.
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The podshow site currently just shows a placeholder video. I’m guessing that once Podshow+ is launched, it will be replaced with a proper HTML page again.
If you look at the title of the page, you can see that it says “Be Patient!!!”. Read about the current page on Adam Curry’s weblog
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The podshow site currently just shows a placeholder video. I’m guessing that once Podshow+ is launched, it will be replaced with a proper HTML page again.
If you look at the title of the page, you can see that it says “Be Patient!!!”. Read about the current page on Adam Curry’s weblog
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Common Scobble don’t hate on flash for nothing. All you had to do was to click and install the missing plugin. Firefox rocks, Flash rocks. Expression sucks.
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Common Scobble don’t hate on flash for nothing. All you had to do was to click and install the missing plugin. Firefox rocks, Flash rocks. Expression sucks.
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“Now, if a ‘normal’ person (non geek) hit this site”
Well they’d probably wouldn’t see the screen you saw, why – because almost 95% of internet users have Flash 7 installed (http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/version_penetration.html)
And with good programming, which this site didn’t have, you can make the install process much better for the average user.
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“Now, if a ‘normal’ person (non geek) hit this site”
Well they’d probably wouldn’t see the screen you saw, why – because almost 95% of internet users have Flash 7 installed (http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/version_penetration.html)
And with good programming, which this site didn’t have, you can make the install process much better for the average user.
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Robert is correct. Let’s say that a non-geek Windows user downloads FF and doesn’t install Flash as well and then hits a site like the one Robert mentions — he’s gone. I’m a geek. I work with geeks. I spend a good deal of time helping non-geeks off the job. Perception is reality. Whether or not this is a programmer error, FF error, or use errror, the person is gone and won’t come back. Full stop.
It’s safe to assume that everyone who left a comment on this today has more than a basic understanding of the Internet and software. The other 99% of people don’t.
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Robert is correct. Let’s say that a non-geek Windows user downloads FF and doesn’t install Flash as well and then hits a site like the one Robert mentions — he’s gone. I’m a geek. I work with geeks. I spend a good deal of time helping non-geeks off the job. Perception is reality. Whether or not this is a programmer error, FF error, or use errror, the person is gone and won’t come back. Full stop.
It’s safe to assume that everyone who left a comment on this today has more than a basic understanding of the Internet and software. The other 99% of people don’t.
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That’s just bad programming. Any flash/web developer worth his salary knows about using SWFObject and having alternate content in divs for users without Flash, without the proper plugin version, or even without javascript.
I wouldn’t knock flash just because some developer was lazy.
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PodShow is in the process of switching from private to public beta. When the switch is complete, you’ll see the site isn’t using that much Flash. What you’re missing during this transition phase is several videos of Adam Curry poking away impatiently at his computer waiting for the launch to go live. Because of your prejudice against Flash, you miss out on the cuteness. 🙂
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PodShow is in the process of switching from private to public beta. When the switch is complete, you’ll see the site isn’t using that much Flash. What you’re missing during this transition phase is several videos of Adam Curry poking away impatiently at his computer waiting for the launch to go live. Because of your prejudice against Flash, you miss out on the cuteness. 🙂
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That’s just bad programming. Any flash/web developer worth his salary knows about using SWFObject and having alternate content in divs for users without Flash, without the proper plugin version, or even without javascript.
I wouldn’t knock flash just because some developer was lazy.
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Yeah, the site’s programmer should have done their homework.
But why does MS make this annoying? Flash is installed by default with mac os x, and there’s a central plugin folder for all browsers, so if you switch browsers you don’t have to reinstall plugins. Hopefully Vista will deal with this issue better, and hopefully by the time they ship they’ll have flash installed by default.
Blame the programmer, blame windows, but don’t blame flash. That’s like blaming HTML or GIF or something.
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Yeah, the site’s programmer should have done their homework.
But why does MS make this annoying? Flash is installed by default with mac os x, and there’s a central plugin folder for all browsers, so if you switch browsers you don’t have to reinstall plugins. Hopefully Vista will deal with this issue better, and hopefully by the time they ship they’ll have flash installed by default.
Blame the programmer, blame windows, but don’t blame flash. That’s like blaming HTML or GIF or something.
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I fail to see why Flash is the issue. I think this is really a higher-level issue of the accessibility of video blogging in general. For example, I followed your link to Amanda’s site where she announced that she was un-Boomed. At least, I *think* that’s what she announced. See, the problem was that I went to click on the movie links, and they all failed to download past 2 or 3%, so I couldn’t really see what she announced. I, too, used Firefox and her site needed a movie plugin as well. What happens if I don’t have QuickTime or another appropriate plugin installed? The same thing as your experience with not having the Flash Player plugin — I leave the site wondering what could have been. I did a quick look through her site and didn’t see any sort of “transcript” pages where I could just skim through the text of the videos as an alternative. Why don’t these types of pages exist? To me, that’s the real problem here…not the fact that it was Flash.
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I fail to see why Flash is the issue. I think this is really a higher-level issue of the accessibility of video blogging in general. For example, I followed your link to Amanda’s site where she announced that she was un-Boomed. At least, I *think* that’s what she announced. See, the problem was that I went to click on the movie links, and they all failed to download past 2 or 3%, so I couldn’t really see what she announced. I, too, used Firefox and her site needed a movie plugin as well. What happens if I don’t have QuickTime or another appropriate plugin installed? The same thing as your experience with not having the Flash Player plugin — I leave the site wondering what could have been. I did a quick look through her site and didn’t see any sort of “transcript” pages where I could just skim through the text of the videos as an alternative. Why don’t these types of pages exist? To me, that’s the real problem here…not the fact that it was Flash.
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My name is the message.
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My name is the message.
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Or this name is better.
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Or this name is better.
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Flash makes the “Which browser are you using?” question go away. As long as you have Flash, it will look the way it should.
Maybe when Apple, Microsoft, Opera, Mozilla, and all the other browser devs stop quarreling like little children and start rendering HTML the same, Flash will stop taking over the internet
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Flash makes the “Which browser are you using?” question go away. As long as you have Flash, it will look the way it should.
Maybe when Apple, Microsoft, Opera, Mozilla, and all the other browser devs stop quarreling like little children and start rendering HTML the same, Flash will stop taking over the internet
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I predict that Flash wont be the winner in the codec silo war because they have placed their bet on the proprietary on2 codec but we can expect a lot of frustration as folks struggle to publish video on the web in a way that will reach across OS and device platforms.
I predicted that the winner will be H264 in 3GP via RTSP and HTTP here: http://podslug.com/blog/?p=32
The only viable way out of the codec silo is if two strong vendors (like apple and real) agree to support the h264 standard with open file formats and open streaming protocols … then MS will follow, then Flash. This will only work if every part of the system is interoperable.
I wish the answer was Ogg Vorbis and Theora but I just don’t think that there will be enough market momentum behind this open source alternative to move the vendors to adopt it.
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I predict that Flash wont be the winner in the codec silo war because they have placed their bet on the proprietary on2 codec but we can expect a lot of frustration as folks struggle to publish video on the web in a way that will reach across OS and device platforms.
I predicted that the winner will be H264 in 3GP via RTSP and HTTP here: http://podslug.com/blog/?p=32
The only viable way out of the codec silo is if two strong vendors (like apple and real) agree to support the h264 standard with open file formats and open streaming protocols … then MS will follow, then Flash. This will only work if every part of the system is interoperable.
I wish the answer was Ogg Vorbis and Theora but I just don’t think that there will be enough market momentum behind this open source alternative to move the vendors to adopt it.
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I predict that Flash wont be the winner in the codec silo war because they have placed their bet on the proprietary on2 codec but we can expect a lot of frustration as folks struggle to publish video on the web in a way that will reach across OS and device platforms.
I haven’t had a problem with watching google videos on my mac and windows boxes and they use Flash. Where do you see these problems?
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I predict that Flash wont be the winner in the codec silo war because they have placed their bet on the proprietary on2 codec but we can expect a lot of frustration as folks struggle to publish video on the web in a way that will reach across OS and device platforms.
I haven’t had a problem with watching google videos on my mac and windows boxes and they use Flash. Where do you see these problems?
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Totally agree. A tiny bunch of people make really cool stuff in Flash, but about 95% of Flash seems to be used for rollovers and navigation that could be done in CSS, or Javascript at worst.
FlashObject is a pretty good JS library that handles Flash detection in a clean, cross-browser, standards compliant way. It uses clean HTML and replaces it with Flash if it’s available, so you still look okay if Flash isn’t installed.
I wrote about it here:
http://weblogs.asp.net/jgalloway/archive/2006/03/03/439483.aspx
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Totally agree. A tiny bunch of people make really cool stuff in Flash, but about 95% of Flash seems to be used for rollovers and navigation that could be done in CSS, or Javascript at worst.
FlashObject is a pretty good JS library that handles Flash detection in a clean, cross-browser, standards compliant way. It uses clean HTML and replaces it with Flash if it’s available, so you still look okay if Flash isn’t installed.
I wrote about it here:
http://weblogs.asp.net/jgalloway/archive/2006/03/03/439483.aspx
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Web pages with title bars that say “Be patient” are a bit like emails that say “Having trouble viewing our HTML mailer?”
In both cases, it’s a sign for me to check out, because there’s nothing there I’ll be interested in.
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Web pages with title bars that say “Be patient” are a bit like emails that say “Having trouble viewing our HTML mailer?”
In both cases, it’s a sign for me to check out, because there’s nothing there I’ll be interested in.
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i agree flash sucks a bit, though unfortunately i need it for my websites. In my case, if the file is too big, i use a popup window to load the video. But i understand why people dont use flash, most visitors dont have patience to wait for the flash file to load.
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i agree flash sucks a bit, though unfortunately i need it for my websites. In my case, if the file is too big, i use a popup window to load the video. But i understand why people dont use flash, most visitors dont have patience to wait for the flash file to load.
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Flash is great if used properly. You have the potential to create a rich and compelling UI that looks and behaves cross platform and cross browser for most broadband users (98%!). While you might try this with DHTML/CSS, your efforts will be far more difficult and less successful. Flash sucks if it’s only being used for eye candy. We all agree on this point. But, it’s great if it’s used by talented designers and UI experts to create interfaces that operate simply, load fast and behave the same no matter which browser or OS you’re using.
Regarding ON2’s V6 and V7 codecs – they’re actually quite remarkable. Fast encoding, great playback qualities. H.264 has potential patent issues, that’s why some big players aren’t embracing it as quickly as expected.
Don’t blame bad Flash on Flash/Adobe/Macromedia. Want to see bad HTML? Visit just about any page on MySpace. 🙂
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Flash is great if used properly. You have the potential to create a rich and compelling UI that looks and behaves cross platform and cross browser for most broadband users (98%!). While you might try this with DHTML/CSS, your efforts will be far more difficult and less successful. Flash sucks if it’s only being used for eye candy. We all agree on this point. But, it’s great if it’s used by talented designers and UI experts to create interfaces that operate simply, load fast and behave the same no matter which browser or OS you’re using.
Regarding ON2’s V6 and V7 codecs – they’re actually quite remarkable. Fast encoding, great playback qualities. H.264 has potential patent issues, that’s why some big players aren’t embracing it as quickly as expected.
Don’t blame bad Flash on Flash/Adobe/Macromedia. Want to see bad HTML? Visit just about any page on MySpace. 🙂
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I have always been told that search engines won’t index a site that has flash as its homepage. Does the javascript redirect the search engines to an html page?
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I have always been told that search engines won’t index a site that has flash as its homepage. Does the javascript redirect the search engines to an html page?
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Thought I’d point folks to a site I consider to be a highly polished Flash-based interface: Laszlo Mail (http://laszlomail.com). Worth a peek. For me, loads fast and works well. The Open Laszlo project, interestingly, has a compiler which can generate Flash –or– DHTML. Very interesting stuff. Flex2 is great, but Laszlo is quite nice as well. http://www.openlaszlo.org/
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Thought I’d point folks to a site I consider to be a highly polished Flash-based interface: Laszlo Mail (http://laszlomail.com). Worth a peek. For me, loads fast and works well. The Open Laszlo project, interestingly, has a compiler which can generate Flash –or– DHTML. Very interesting stuff. Flex2 is great, but Laszlo is quite nice as well. http://www.openlaszlo.org/
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Flash. Well. It’s fun to develop but sometimes not always needed. For the new way of designing blogs and sites, mainly the basics are enough for most of the time, especially for end users.
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Flash. Well. It’s fun to develop but sometimes not always needed. For the new way of designing blogs and sites, mainly the basics are enough for most of the time, especially for end users.
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As far as I can tell, 99% of all flash is advertisements. I don’t want to see flash advertisements. It is very easy to turn off Flash in Safari without any hacks or add ons. I just turn off plug-ins in the security preferences. The only plug-ins I want are Quicktime embeds and for those I have a simple AppleScript that turns plug-ins on and off from the AppleScript menu as needed.
If you are a company that wants my business, it is unlikely that you will get it if your design requires flash. I simply don’t see it because it is almost always turned off.
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As far as I can tell, 99% of all flash is advertisements. I don’t want to see flash advertisements. It is very easy to turn off Flash in Safari without any hacks or add ons. I just turn off plug-ins in the security preferences. The only plug-ins I want are Quicktime embeds and for those I have a simple AppleScript that turns plug-ins on and off from the AppleScript menu as needed.
If you are a company that wants my business, it is unlikely that you will get it if your design requires flash. I simply don’t see it because it is almost always turned off.
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BlogReader and David Geller,
I see at least two problems with Flash:
1. I can’t play the flash video on: the ipod, tivo, psp, any set top box, the Nokia 91, any phone, or any other portable device for that matter … Flash may work on 98% of the PCs but this is only a fraction of where I want to watch my video.
2. What if Adobe decides to bundle the Acrobat reader in the same way that Apple is bundling iTunes with Quicktime for Windows? Why not? Then what? What if they start including some sort of advertising pre-roll or start charging for the player? Why should they give it away for free once they have total lock in? Would you? Do you think Adobe makes a dime off of YouTube or Google video? Don’t you think they want to?
Let’s just imagine for a moment what Microsoft would have done if they had a monopoly on online digital video playback. They got pretty close before iTunes and Flash saved us. Content owners were afraid. Rightly so.
Now let’s imagine another scenario: Microsoft buys Adobe and then decides that Linux and Mac playback should be handled in the same way that Mac support for Windows Media is handled. Now we are all sunk.
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BlogReader and David Geller,
I see at least two problems with Flash:
1. I can’t play the flash video on: the ipod, tivo, psp, any set top box, the Nokia 91, any phone, or any other portable device for that matter … Flash may work on 98% of the PCs but this is only a fraction of where I want to watch my video.
2. What if Adobe decides to bundle the Acrobat reader in the same way that Apple is bundling iTunes with Quicktime for Windows? Why not? Then what? What if they start including some sort of advertising pre-roll or start charging for the player? Why should they give it away for free once they have total lock in? Would you? Do you think Adobe makes a dime off of YouTube or Google video? Don’t you think they want to?
Let’s just imagine for a moment what Microsoft would have done if they had a monopoly on online digital video playback. They got pretty close before iTunes and Flash saved us. Content owners were afraid. Rightly so.
Now let’s imagine another scenario: Microsoft buys Adobe and then decides that Linux and Mac playback should be handled in the same way that Mac support for Windows Media is handled. Now we are all sunk.
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Flash is fine, when used to ENHANCE a site.
This looks like a crappy intro-loader (usually complete with ‘skip’ button), and one of the main reasons people hate flash.
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Flash is fine, when used to ENHANCE a site.
This looks like a crappy intro-loader (usually complete with ‘skip’ button), and one of the main reasons people hate flash.
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Most of the non-geeks that I know don’t even know what Firefox is, let alone use it…
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Most of the non-geeks that I know don’t even know what Firefox is, let alone use it…
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James: that might be true, but it probably won’t be for long. Firefox has somewhere around 20% marketshare for the mass market and 50% with geeks and Firefox has been gaining quite steadily lately.
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James: that might be true, but it probably won’t be for long. Firefox has somewhere around 20% marketshare for the mass market and 50% with geeks and Firefox has been gaining quite steadily lately.
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… but on the other side… who the f–k is using Firefox anyway?!?
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… but on the other side… who the f–k is using Firefox anyway?!?
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The main reasons people hate Flash are 1) All the damn Flash ads you get stuck with 2) All the rest of the flash based content and navigation that can be done without Flash or isn’t needed. The only thing people like about Flash is the rare useful and unique content that can’t be displayed without it – rare and unique as in .001% of all Flash content on the web that site designers/owners really believe to be such.
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The main reasons people hate Flash are 1) All the damn Flash ads you get stuck with 2) All the rest of the flash based content and navigation that can be done without Flash or isn’t needed. The only thing people like about Flash is the rare useful and unique content that can’t be displayed without it – rare and unique as in .001% of all Flash content on the web that site designers/owners really believe to be such.
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I got a really great comment from Crazy Ivan regarding why Macromedia chose Flash over H264. Please see it here: http://podslug.com/blog/?p=32
On2 also has a great article on Flash versus H264 here: http://on2.com/technology/on2-vs-h264/
It is a very tough choice. After reviewing these, do you still not want to use Flash? Why?
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I got a really great comment from Crazy Ivan regarding why Macromedia chose Flash over H264. Please see it here: http://podslug.com/blog/?p=32
On2 also has a great article on Flash versus H264 here: http://on2.com/technology/on2-vs-h264/
It is a very tough choice. After reviewing these, do you still not want to use Flash? Why?
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Robert I totally agree with you on this one. Flash has its place, and is great for rich media two-clicks in. But it’s never going to be a standard, and should never be used as a landing site. You’re right, any non-techie user will hit that message and say see ya later. Remember back 5 years ago when companies were actually building commercial sites solely in Flash? Absolute craziness (and you still see it sometimes). Home pages need to be simple and load quickly, with no assumptions made for bandwidth. Let the user decide if they want to dive into a Flash ap, video or audio (and if you’re talented enough to design a Flash site, you should be able to build an alternative version, with user preferences that can be preserved in cookies).
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Robert I totally agree with you on this one. Flash has its place, and is great for rich media two-clicks in. But it’s never going to be a standard, and should never be used as a landing site. You’re right, any non-techie user will hit that message and say see ya later. Remember back 5 years ago when companies were actually building commercial sites solely in Flash? Absolute craziness (and you still see it sometimes). Home pages need to be simple and load quickly, with no assumptions made for bandwidth. Let the user decide if they want to dive into a Flash ap, video or audio (and if you’re talented enough to design a Flash site, you should be able to build an alternative version, with user preferences that can be preserved in cookies).
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Robert,
A while ago, you’d seen my Flash OPML Reading list /blogroll and rather liked it 😉
Here’s another one – http://readerss.com/opml/
And not forgetting the first ever:
http://www.blugg.com/caster/
😉
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Robert,
A while ago, you’d seen my Flash OPML Reading list /blogroll and rather liked it 😉
Here’s another one – http://readerss.com/opml/
And not forgetting the first ever:
http://www.blugg.com/caster/
😉
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Also, I should reccommend listening to BoagWorld, a podcast from two Brits about webdesign. They have some very interesting discussions, interviews and arguments for and against Flash.
http://podcast.com/show/1678/
Recently interviewed Aral Balkan, open source flash evangelist
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Also, I should reccommend listening to BoagWorld, a podcast from two Brits about webdesign. They have some very interesting discussions, interviews and arguments for and against Flash.
http://podcast.com/show/1678/
Recently interviewed Aral Balkan, open source flash evangelist
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At the risk of repeating what has already been said by multiple commenters, this is an example of bad use of a technology, not a limitation of the technology itself. I would urge you to take a look at SWFObject:
http://osflash.org/swfobject
SWFObject is one method of embedding SWF files (compiled Flash bytecode) into web pages that defaults in alternative content being shown if Flash and/or JavaScript is unavailable. If the required version of Flash is available, the DIV with alternative content is changed to include the Flash movie.
The ubiquity of the Flash player, its cross-platform support, and the level of interactivity it provides make Flash a very compelling solution for a variety of tasks. As with every technology decision, however, whether or not to use Flash for a given use case should be on the requirements (functional, usability, accessibility) of that individual use case. There are certain use cases where you simply cannot create the same functionality in HTML (for example, alpha channel video) or where the cost of developing the same level of interactivity in a cross-platform manner are prohibitive (in Flash you never have to write a line of code to check which platform you’re running on or for browser incompatibilities. This allows you to concentrate on actually writing your application.)
For video on the web, Flash is by far the most elegant, easy-to-use, cross-platform solution available as empirically evidenced by its use in some of the largest Internet video sites (YouTube, Google Video, etc.)
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At the risk of repeating what has already been said by multiple commenters, this is an example of bad use of a technology, not a limitation of the technology itself. I would urge you to take a look at SWFObject:
http://osflash.org/swfobject
SWFObject is one method of embedding SWF files (compiled Flash bytecode) into web pages that defaults in alternative content being shown if Flash and/or JavaScript is unavailable. If the required version of Flash is available, the DIV with alternative content is changed to include the Flash movie.
The ubiquity of the Flash player, its cross-platform support, and the level of interactivity it provides make Flash a very compelling solution for a variety of tasks. As with every technology decision, however, whether or not to use Flash for a given use case should be on the requirements (functional, usability, accessibility) of that individual use case. There are certain use cases where you simply cannot create the same functionality in HTML (for example, alpha channel video) or where the cost of developing the same level of interactivity in a cross-platform manner are prohibitive (in Flash you never have to write a line of code to check which platform you’re running on or for browser incompatibilities. This allows you to concentrate on actually writing your application.)
For video on the web, Flash is by far the most elegant, easy-to-use, cross-platform solution available as empirically evidenced by its use in some of the largest Internet video sites (YouTube, Google Video, etc.)
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Oh that as if I’m saying: I had a bad experience with Windows XP, now I’m never going to use any Windows OS again! …. Ridiculous BS!
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Oh that as if I’m saying: I had a bad experience with Windows XP, now I’m never going to use any Windows OS again! …. Ridiculous BS!
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Don’t you just love the “Shock-Jock” style posts like this? Making a completely ignorant statement to get airplay and traffic? I bet this is even a tip in your book isn’t it… a chapter titled something like “Making ignorant statements can help your SEO rankings”. I have little doubt that you didn’t realize how ignorant your statements were going to sound when you posted this nonsense, and probably had a pretty good idea what the response would be.
So if I read your book and it sucks, I should swear off books all together? Isn’t that the rebuttal that you were expecting when you made this post. All of you people posted imaginary statistics, and guessing at the “geek” and “non geek” reactions to flash, and the idiotic assumption that the technology is somehow to blame for a bad experience need to take a look in the mirror. Its a fact that there are more HTML sites than flash, and would venture to “guess” that there are faaaar more bad implementations, non-cross browser implementations of HTML then there ever will be of Flash.
I hope you get the attention you so crave with this post, it sure isn’t helping your reputation.
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Don’t you just love the “Shock-Jock” style posts like this? Making a completely ignorant statement to get airplay and traffic? I bet this is even a tip in your book isn’t it… a chapter titled something like “Making ignorant statements can help your SEO rankings”. I have little doubt that you didn’t realize how ignorant your statements were going to sound when you posted this nonsense, and probably had a pretty good idea what the response would be.
So if I read your book and it sucks, I should swear off books all together? Isn’t that the rebuttal that you were expecting when you made this post. All of you people posted imaginary statistics, and guessing at the “geek” and “non geek” reactions to flash, and the idiotic assumption that the technology is somehow to blame for a bad experience need to take a look in the mirror. Its a fact that there are more HTML sites than flash, and would venture to “guess” that there are faaaar more bad implementations, non-cross browser implementations of HTML then there ever will be of Flash.
I hope you get the attention you so crave with this post, it sure isn’t helping your reputation.
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What does that have to do with Flash? It’s the web developer’s fault. Flash provides way more than other options, and if you don’t know how to setup a java detectionscript then you’re not looking for Flash developer tools because you’re a tool. Go look at SWFObject you lazy kid.
Microsoft is conducting a minor war against Adobe (including Flash) at the moment because they need people to believe that Flash isn’t reliable, so that they use Microsoft’s upcoming web development crapware.
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What does that have to do with Flash? It’s the web developer’s fault. Flash provides way more than other options, and if you don’t know how to setup a java detectionscript then you’re not looking for Flash developer tools because you’re a tool. Go look at SWFObject you lazy kid.
Microsoft is conducting a minor war against Adobe (including Flash) at the moment because they need people to believe that Flash isn’t reliable, so that they use Microsoft’s upcoming web development crapware.
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This is “Why I Don’t Read Your Blog”
Any “normal” person who installs firefox could click that gigantic “Click here to download plugin” button in the middle of the page.
Otherwise how will your fans listen to you on podtech.net or watch you on youtube?
Oh yeah, no “normal” person would do that.
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This is “Why I Don’t Read Your Blog”
Any “normal” person who installs firefox could click that gigantic “Click here to download plugin” button in the middle of the page.
Otherwise how will your fans listen to you on podtech.net or watch you on youtube?
Oh yeah, no “normal” person would do that.
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Joey: you can download podcasts with iTunes. That’s how most people listen to them.
Yes, they could click that. But have you actually watched a real user? I have. They are freaked out by the prospects of getting malware. Oh, you think all your users have Macs? Think again.
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Joey: you can download podcasts with iTunes. That’s how most people listen to them.
Yes, they could click that. But have you actually watched a real user? I have. They are freaked out by the prospects of getting malware. Oh, you think all your users have Macs? Think again.
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Hey, this isn’t a Microsoft Web site anymore. It wasn’t a Microsoft Web site I visited. It wasn’t even a Microsoft Web browser I used.
I just installed Flash, by the way. It took half a dozen clicks. Really user friendly.
I still think it’s an inappropriate technology to use to display the home page of your Web site. Now, yeah, the real answer would be to do browser detection, and play out an HTML version if Flash isn’t available. Wonderful. But that didn’t happen in this case and doing that increases the costs of producing a Web site since now you have to do it effectively twice.
I’m lazy. I’ll just do it the HTML way and not worry about it.
Oh, and I’ll give the same answer to Microsoft’s salespeople when they come to show me how awesomely cool WPF (er, .NET 3.0) is.
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Hey, this isn’t a Microsoft Web site anymore. It wasn’t a Microsoft Web site I visited. It wasn’t even a Microsoft Web browser I used.
I just installed Flash, by the way. It took half a dozen clicks. Really user friendly.
I still think it’s an inappropriate technology to use to display the home page of your Web site. Now, yeah, the real answer would be to do browser detection, and play out an HTML version if Flash isn’t available. Wonderful. But that didn’t happen in this case and doing that increases the costs of producing a Web site since now you have to do it effectively twice.
I’m lazy. I’ll just do it the HTML way and not worry about it.
Oh, and I’ll give the same answer to Microsoft’s salespeople when they come to show me how awesomely cool WPF (er, .NET 3.0) is.
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“I just installed Flash, by the way. It took half a dozen clicks. Really user friendly.”
Only one click on my Mac, maybe half a dozen clicks is why I don’t use Windows. Hmm… I should pitch that to Apple. “If you’re lazy get a Mac. OSX offers 84% less clicks than Windows.” ;P
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“I just installed Flash, by the way. It took half a dozen clicks. Really user friendly.”
Only one click on my Mac, maybe half a dozen clicks is why I don’t use Windows. Hmm… I should pitch that to Apple. “If you’re lazy get a Mac. OSX offers 84% less clicks than Windows.” ;P
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Gee that was snarky ^_^
“Now, yeah, the real answer would be to do browser detection, and play out an HTML version if Flash isn’t available.”
I think the concept you are looking for is graceful degradation. I agree a website should degrade gracefully. If it’s Flash it SHOULD have an HTML alternative. If you consider this as part of working with Flash then it’s really not a lot of extra work. Flash DOES tend to be exclusive. How many Flash sites can you think of that meet accessibility standards?
“Oh, you think all your users have Macs? Think again.”
Unfortunately, you are right about that. If all users had exactly the same setup web design would be a piece of cake. I think 70%-ish of my users have Windows (95-XP) and use IE 6 and below. Talk about a web designer’s nightmare! At least with Flash there is only one standard and one company making the flash player. I defy you to get a web site to look consistent between just Firefox and IE without having to “do it effectively twice” or more. Though again, if you account for browser inconsistencies before you develop a site, the extra work isn’t as much. Of course, it’s easier with a blog one column of text is fairly simple especially if half the work is done for you by something like WordPress. But then if you did your blog with Flash it would be like putting a Hemi in your Vespa and, lazy or not, no one needs that.
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Gee that was snarky ^_^
“Now, yeah, the real answer would be to do browser detection, and play out an HTML version if Flash isn’t available.”
I think the concept you are looking for is graceful degradation. I agree a website should degrade gracefully. If it’s Flash it SHOULD have an HTML alternative. If you consider this as part of working with Flash then it’s really not a lot of extra work. Flash DOES tend to be exclusive. How many Flash sites can you think of that meet accessibility standards?
“Oh, you think all your users have Macs? Think again.”
Unfortunately, you are right about that. If all users had exactly the same setup web design would be a piece of cake. I think 70%-ish of my users have Windows (95-XP) and use IE 6 and below. Talk about a web designer’s nightmare! At least with Flash there is only one standard and one company making the flash player. I defy you to get a web site to look consistent between just Firefox and IE without having to “do it effectively twice” or more. Though again, if you account for browser inconsistencies before you develop a site, the extra work isn’t as much. Of course, it’s easier with a blog one column of text is fairly simple especially if half the work is done for you by something like WordPress. But then if you did your blog with Flash it would be like putting a Hemi in your Vespa and, lazy or not, no one needs that.
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Hi Scoble,
Sorry if I was a little harsh, it was late, but you didn’t have to accuse me of being a Mac booster!
My point with the podtech link is that site is littered with flash movies and it’s a pretty good example of how flash should be used.
I’ve been developing consumer level software, games, and websites for 11 years – so yeah, I’ve watched quite a few real users. They’re why I’m in this business. The fact is well over 90% have flash installed. If you’re going to present any time-based media on your site you’ll reach the most users and get the most consistent UE with flash.
You’re right that “Click here to download plugin” button would present an tremendous obstacle for some, but I really think anybody who’s got the cojones to download Firefox can handle a little clicky clicky to get flash on there. If they don’t, they’ll be using IE which has Flash preinstalled.
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Hi Scoble,
Sorry if I was a little harsh, it was late, but you didn’t have to accuse me of being a Mac booster!
My point with the podtech link is that site is littered with flash movies and it’s a pretty good example of how flash should be used.
I’ve been developing consumer level software, games, and websites for 11 years – so yeah, I’ve watched quite a few real users. They’re why I’m in this business. The fact is well over 90% have flash installed. If you’re going to present any time-based media on your site you’ll reach the most users and get the most consistent UE with flash.
You’re right that “Click here to download plugin” button would present an tremendous obstacle for some, but I really think anybody who’s got the cojones to download Firefox can handle a little clicky clicky to get flash on there. If they don’t, they’ll be using IE which has Flash preinstalled.
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Joey: I’ve seen Firefox loaded on lots of machines where the main user didn’t load it. Usually a geek in the family loaded it up and said “use this and you won’t get malware anymore.”
Even where someone did get the cojones to download Firefox, it was because they heard it didn’t have the security problems. I have yet to find a non-geek who says “I downloaded it for tabs and extensions.”
So, the non-geek people who are likely to download and install Firefox are also the ones who are unlikely to load any extensions or plugins. At least that’s my theory based on watching real-life users who aren’t geeks.
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Joey: I’ve seen Firefox loaded on lots of machines where the main user didn’t load it. Usually a geek in the family loaded it up and said “use this and you won’t get malware anymore.”
Even where someone did get the cojones to download Firefox, it was because they heard it didn’t have the security problems. I have yet to find a non-geek who says “I downloaded it for tabs and extensions.”
So, the non-geek people who are likely to download and install Firefox are also the ones who are unlikely to load any extensions or plugins. At least that’s my theory based on watching real-life users who aren’t geeks.
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I went to a website where the user had used the blink tag, and had used CSS to create pink text on a pink background.
Scoble’s Lesson: Don’t use HTML and CSS.
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I went to a website where the user had used the blink tag, and had used CSS to create pink text on a pink background.
Scoble’s Lesson: Don’t use HTML and CSS.
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Flash is the future of video on all types of devices… tvs, screens, hd-dvd. etc, etc… Can’t you see that? The future is interactive television and not html or else… time to move on.
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Flash is the future of video on all types of devices… tvs, screens, hd-dvd. etc, etc… Can’t you see that? The future is interactive television and not html or else… time to move on.
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Why should I use Quicktime, Real Media, WM player when I have flv? Fast playback, interative, great image quality, and more. Don’t use flash if you want to make the video for yourself. Adobe sees that flash is a big killer on the media players out-there and it will get better over time.
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Why should I use Quicktime, Real Media, WM player when I have flv? Fast playback, interative, great image quality, and more. Don’t use flash if you want to make the video for yourself. Adobe sees that flash is a big killer on the media players out-there and it will get better over time.
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Ney,
Would you like your video to play on any portable video devices like the following: http://portablevideo.engadget.com/
What would you do if Adobe decides to start charging for the use of their player?
Do you want to stream your video rather than use HTTP download? How much does that cost?
Do you feel confident enough in this solution to tie yourself to only one vendor for video delivery?
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Ney,
Would you like your video to play on any portable video devices like the following: http://portablevideo.engadget.com/
What would you do if Adobe decides to start charging for the use of their player?
Do you want to stream your video rather than use HTTP download? How much does that cost?
Do you feel confident enough in this solution to tie yourself to only one vendor for video delivery?
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Good Point Erik! I don’t think Adobe would be that stupid to charge the flash player from us. Now, think like Microsoft of what they did comparing to Mac… How many software’s are out there for PC OS? And how many programmers will create software’s if you didn’t have the freedom of windows? I guess only 3% globally! Got it? Flash became to big like windows and I hope someone out there besides Microsoft is working on a similar player or technology. Got have a competition and so far none. Like I what I wrote, the future is interactive television and not web, the internet is only a part of visual information that delivers what is becoming the next amazing creations of freedom displays… I mean we are going to see amazing ways of motion graphics that will be totally interactive, in all shapes and sizes… Bye Bye 4:3 or 16:9 video sizes and welcome circles, triangles, whatever sizes you may like… New software’s like flash professional will need to be created for the very soon technologies that most of you don’t even imagine will come true… More and more we want videos to be part of our daily life, and that will be in a liquid forms of navigations and videos embedded on the shape of any products. Now, flash opens the door for the next generation of information display and because of the millions of designers and programmers out there uses everyday Adobe knows that today they are in control. The true is that flash is the only player out there for the best video intregation to your site and CD-roms because it is FREE, small size to download, no pop-outs windows or players, Interactive, and etc, etc, etc… It is so great player that people thought that they should use instead of html pages. If it get fast, again, bye, bye html website sites. I guess, stream or download will not matter soon, it will have to be all stream because they are opening the pipes, finally! Costs will very!!!!
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Good Point Erik! I don’t think Adobe would be that stupid to charge the flash player from us. Now, think like Microsoft of what they did comparing to Mac… How many software’s are out there for PC OS? And how many programmers will create software’s if you didn’t have the freedom of windows? I guess only 3% globally! Got it? Flash became to big like windows and I hope someone out there besides Microsoft is working on a similar player or technology. Got have a competition and so far none. Like I what I wrote, the future is interactive television and not web, the internet is only a part of visual information that delivers what is becoming the next amazing creations of freedom displays… I mean we are going to see amazing ways of motion graphics that will be totally interactive, in all shapes and sizes… Bye Bye 4:3 or 16:9 video sizes and welcome circles, triangles, whatever sizes you may like… New software’s like flash professional will need to be created for the very soon technologies that most of you don’t even imagine will come true… More and more we want videos to be part of our daily life, and that will be in a liquid forms of navigations and videos embedded on the shape of any products. Now, flash opens the door for the next generation of information display and because of the millions of designers and programmers out there uses everyday Adobe knows that today they are in control. The true is that flash is the only player out there for the best video intregation to your site and CD-roms because it is FREE, small size to download, no pop-outs windows or players, Interactive, and etc, etc, etc… It is so great player that people thought that they should use instead of html pages. If it get fast, again, bye, bye html website sites. I guess, stream or download will not matter soon, it will have to be all stream because they are opening the pipes, finally! Costs will very!!!!
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PodSlug (Erik Herz) – “What would you do if Adobe decides to start charging for the use of their player?”
I think that has to be the most ignorant statement of all in this whole post. That would be corporate suicide. Why would they buy Macromedia for the Flash player if they were going to ruin the adoption rate by charging for it. Have they ever charged for the Acrobat reader?
Coming from someone who spent so much time at RealNetworks (arguably the worst media player on the Planet)…For someone who is “very excited about the potential for online media” you sure have a very narrow minded, ultra conservative, paranoid view on things.
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PodSlug (Erik Herz) – “What would you do if Adobe decides to start charging for the use of their player?”
I think that has to be the most ignorant statement of all in this whole post. That would be corporate suicide. Why would they buy Macromedia for the Flash player if they were going to ruin the adoption rate by charging for it. Have they ever charged for the Acrobat reader?
Coming from someone who spent so much time at RealNetworks (arguably the worst media player on the Planet)…For someone who is “very excited about the potential for online media” you sure have a very narrow minded, ultra conservative, paranoid view on things.
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Seems like a cheap shot at a superior software program, especially when it’s really the fault of the developer. There’s a lot of bad drivers on the road but I’m not going to stop driving a car.
Now, a more appropriate article with critical merit would be one like “Why I don’t use Internet Explorer and wish no one else did either …”
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Seems like a cheap shot at a superior software program, especially when it’s really the fault of the developer. There’s a lot of bad drivers on the road but I’m not going to stop driving a car.
Now, a more appropriate article with critical merit would be one like “Why I don’t use Internet Explorer and wish no one else did either …”
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I feel the exact same way as you do…but it’s towards Quicktime. Everytime I hit a page with Quicktime, I “quickly” hit the back button.
Why is this? Well, let’s see…
1) Quicktime is a pain to download and install
2) Once installed, it wants to take over as player for all media, unless you go through the custom setup and spend time unselecting all of the formats it wants to take over
3) It parks itself in the Window taskbar and wants to always be running
4) It doesn’t play nicely in the browser window like a FLV!!!
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I feel the exact same way as you do…but it’s towards Quicktime. Everytime I hit a page with Quicktime, I “quickly” hit the back button.
Why is this? Well, let’s see…
1) Quicktime is a pain to download and install
2) Once installed, it wants to take over as player for all media, unless you go through the custom setup and spend time unselecting all of the formats it wants to take over
3) It parks itself in the Window taskbar and wants to always be running
4) It doesn’t play nicely in the browser window like a FLV!!!
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Dave,
I agree that it would be corporate suicide if Adobe starts to charge for their player but I have seen companies with such free-product reach with no immediate monetization succumb to pressure to push pro versions and ads. I have no idea what Adobe has in mind but they must be thinking hard about how to make money off of YouTube and Google Video. What is your guess about how they will do this?
I am very torn about Flash Video. I really appreciate their commitment to Mac and Linux. I think the light footprint of their player has dramatically simplified the consumption of online video which has dramatically increased the audience of users who are willing to watch online video. All great stuff.
My concern is that it is proprietary and non-interoperable. This means that if they become the de facto standard then they have too much power and content owners are too dependent upon one company for distribution.
So, yes, I am paranoid. Companies must do what they can to stay in business and drive profit. If Adobe does not have a return on their Flash Video investment then they might seek some sort of monetization strategy for the client software. It might be suicide if they don’t do this at some point.
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Dave,
I agree that it would be corporate suicide if Adobe starts to charge for their player but I have seen companies with such free-product reach with no immediate monetization succumb to pressure to push pro versions and ads. I have no idea what Adobe has in mind but they must be thinking hard about how to make money off of YouTube and Google Video. What is your guess about how they will do this?
I am very torn about Flash Video. I really appreciate their commitment to Mac and Linux. I think the light footprint of their player has dramatically simplified the consumption of online video which has dramatically increased the audience of users who are willing to watch online video. All great stuff.
My concern is that it is proprietary and non-interoperable. This means that if they become the de facto standard then they have too much power and content owners are too dependent upon one company for distribution.
So, yes, I am paranoid. Companies must do what they can to stay in business and drive profit. If Adobe does not have a return on their Flash Video investment then they might seek some sort of monetization strategy for the client software. It might be suicide if they don’t do this at some point.
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You guys are forgetting the you can not save stream FLV unless you have capture software’s like fantasia. Now that Adobe has flash and with flash comes all media types (Cell, PDAs, Navigators, etc, etc) the $$$ for adobe will come from everywhere… And when they start using FLV as their native video format for Adobe Premiere playback and archive… editors and designers will start using the FLV like never before because of media size, quality, interactivity, and it has much fewer problems comparing with other formats. Adobe is a very stable company and today their software are in every design company in the world… And comes flash… You can’t browser the internet without it. Time is money and I don’t want to wait 20 seconds to five minutes on Broadband for a QuickTime, Real, WMV to download… FLV start playing in seconds with no waits, check this site that I did with FVL siles comparing to other formats out there http://www.talentbeachmusic.com/html/english/artists/artist_001.html
Best,
Ney
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You guys are forgetting the you can not save stream FLV unless you have capture software’s like fantasia. Now that Adobe has flash and with flash comes all media types (Cell, PDAs, Navigators, etc, etc) the $$$ for adobe will come from everywhere… And when they start using FLV as their native video format for Adobe Premiere playback and archive… editors and designers will start using the FLV like never before because of media size, quality, interactivity, and it has much fewer problems comparing with other formats. Adobe is a very stable company and today their software are in every design company in the world… And comes flash… You can’t browser the internet without it. Time is money and I don’t want to wait 20 seconds to five minutes on Broadband for a QuickTime, Real, WMV to download… FLV start playing in seconds with no waits, check this site that I did with FVL siles comparing to other formats out there http://www.talentbeachmusic.com/html/english/artists/artist_001.html
Best,
Ney
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Ney,
Your website looks great and the video is wonderful! I was very impressed with the quality. Flash-based features like the hover-over volume control are very cool.
You said that “with flash comes all media types (Cell, PDAs, Navigators, etc, etc)” … I would be eager to see an example of this.
Erik
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Ney,
Your website looks great and the video is wonderful! I was very impressed with the quality. Flash-based features like the hover-over volume control are very cool.
You said that “with flash comes all media types (Cell, PDAs, Navigators, etc, etc)” … I would be eager to see an example of this.
Erik
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I believe Saab is using flash on their navigation system… I will try to find the right link for you. Also, Is WPF a “Flash Killer?” Check this video out… Maybe Microsoft is coming out with some amazing interactive flash like product… http://channel9.msdn.com/showpost.aspx?postid=115387
Best,
Ney
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I believe Saab is using flash on their navigation system… I will try to find the right link for you. Also, Is WPF a “Flash Killer?” Check this video out… Maybe Microsoft is coming out with some amazing interactive flash like product… http://channel9.msdn.com/showpost.aspx?postid=115387
Best,
Ney
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Erik,
How long did take the video from my site to start playing? comparing to any other site using Quicktime, etc… ??
Thanks!!!
Ney
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Erik,
How long did take the video from my site to start playing? comparing to any other site using Quicktime, etc… ??
Thanks!!!
Ney
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Super fast! Are you using streaming or HTTP download? What do you think the advantages of streaming Flash versus HTTP download would be?
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Super fast! Are you using streaming or HTTP download? What do you think the advantages of streaming Flash versus HTTP download would be?
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Erik, Stream FLV is much better for the simple fact that you can jump to any part of the video, It can use for live feed or as webcam feed, not limit to how many users can se at the same time, you can’t just copy the url or path to view the video (like what google is doing to FLV out-there), detect your internent speed and delivers the right compresion to the right user, it does stay on the local hard-drive, and etc…. Now, the progressive download FLV is just cheaper but you have to wait to end the download if you want to jump to the last scene o frame of the video and it stays on your local hard drive, also it is limited how many users can access the video at the sametime. Yes, the videos on that site that I did are progressive FLV, the Stream versions I have I can’t show because of classified projects. I know that Flash Communication Server is the best way to stream FLV files with video.
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Erik, Stream FLV is much better for the simple fact that you can jump to any part of the video, It can use for live feed or as webcam feed, not limit to how many users can se at the same time, you can’t just copy the url or path to view the video (like what google is doing to FLV out-there), detect your internent speed and delivers the right compresion to the right user, it does stay on the local hard-drive, and etc…. Now, the progressive download FLV is just cheaper but you have to wait to end the download if you want to jump to the last scene o frame of the video and it stays on your local hard drive, also it is limited how many users can access the video at the sametime. Yes, the videos on that site that I did are progressive FLV, the Stream versions I have I can’t show because of classified projects. I know that Flash Communication Server is the best way to stream FLV files with video.
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Ney,
Do you know how much it costs to stream flash video?
Erik
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Ney,
Do you know how much it costs to stream flash video?
Erik
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Erik,
The best way is to contact one of these companies, Good Luck with prices!
http://www.vitalstream.com/macromedia/index.html
http://www.akamai.com/en/html/services/flash_streaming.html
http://www.limelightnetworks.com/flash/
http://www.mirror-image.com/
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Erik,
The best way is to contact one of these companies, Good Luck with prices!
http://www.vitalstream.com/macromedia/index.html
http://www.akamai.com/en/html/services/flash_streaming.html
http://www.limelightnetworks.com/flash/
http://www.mirror-image.com/
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Media Temple (http://www.mediatemple.net/services/webhosting/flashcom/shared/) offers FlashComm services for as little as $15/month in addition to your hosting costs.
As for what will Adobe due to make money off of Google and YouTube…the answer is they already are without charging fro the player. They make money on the creation and distribution side, not the delivery side. You don’t think Google and YouTube are just forcing downloads right? They’re streaming. How do they stream?? FlashComm servers, lots of them. Not to mention the fact that Google and YouTube are using Flash for video, this just helps increase the ubiquity of the player. As adoptions rates increase, so does the comfort level of the paranoid to use the technology. The position you take about Flash being “proprietary”… isn’t QuickTime? Isn’t Windows Media? Isn’t Real? Just because the software is proprietary doesn’t make it any less desirable in my eyes as long as my target audience is okay with it. And it appears the vast majority of the world doesn’t have a problem with it. They can view my content, that’s what matters.
You mentioned that you “have seen companies with such free-product reach with no immediate monetization succumb to pressure to push pro versions and ads”. I would beg to differ. Name a product that has ever had the reach of the Flash plug-in? Name company who had a product with half the reach with the flash plug-in, as well as a significant product line (Flash, Flex, FlashComm) that relied on that FREE product for its livelihood. So I would take exception to the fact that Adobe in this scenario has no “immediate monetization”.
I don’t mean to come across harsh, but the paranoid outlook just doesn’t seem to fit in an industry that evolves so quickly. How do you ever get ahead of the curve, or even maintain site of the curve if your always hiding behind your paranoia?
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Media Temple (http://www.mediatemple.net/services/webhosting/flashcom/shared/) offers FlashComm services for as little as $15/month in addition to your hosting costs.
As for what will Adobe due to make money off of Google and YouTube…the answer is they already are without charging fro the player. They make money on the creation and distribution side, not the delivery side. You don’t think Google and YouTube are just forcing downloads right? They’re streaming. How do they stream?? FlashComm servers, lots of them. Not to mention the fact that Google and YouTube are using Flash for video, this just helps increase the ubiquity of the player. As adoptions rates increase, so does the comfort level of the paranoid to use the technology. The position you take about Flash being “proprietary”… isn’t QuickTime? Isn’t Windows Media? Isn’t Real? Just because the software is proprietary doesn’t make it any less desirable in my eyes as long as my target audience is okay with it. And it appears the vast majority of the world doesn’t have a problem with it. They can view my content, that’s what matters.
You mentioned that you “have seen companies with such free-product reach with no immediate monetization succumb to pressure to push pro versions and ads”. I would beg to differ. Name a product that has ever had the reach of the Flash plug-in? Name company who had a product with half the reach with the flash plug-in, as well as a significant product line (Flash, Flex, FlashComm) that relied on that FREE product for its livelihood. So I would take exception to the fact that Adobe in this scenario has no “immediate monetization”.
I don’t mean to come across harsh, but the paranoid outlook just doesn’t seem to fit in an industry that evolves so quickly. How do you ever get ahead of the curve, or even maintain site of the curve if your always hiding behind your paranoia?
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I do not believe that YouTube or Google video is streaming and/or coming from Adobe FCS servers which stream via a proprietary RTMP protocol. If they did they might risk being blocked by firewalls that don’t allow RTMP over port 1935. Here is a link about RTMP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTMP … so I still don’t think Adobe is making any money from Google and YouTube at this moment.
Quicktime and Real (as well as open source players like VLC) may soon be able to support a non-proprietary stack of MP4 or 3GP files with H264 and MP3 encoding distributed via HTTP or RTSP. This will soon allow you publish content that can be played by a variety of vendor software packages on every OS and potentially every device.
… Windows Media had a pretty dominant position recently. Back then folks wondered why I didn’t just adopt it as an exclusive format. Back then there was support for the latest WM codec on the Mac, now there isn’t and MS says that there wont be support for this in the future. I don’t think that Adobe will repeat this mistake. Would a different parent company of Macromedia do the same? Will Adobe be able to stay independent? I hope so.
My hunch is that most content owners don’t want to spend time being ahead of the curve or spend time encoding their content into a bunch of formats to support multiple devices. They want to focus on creating great content that can be played back well into the future regardless of the outcome of the vendor wars.
It is hard for me to criticize Adobe since the Flash team has worked so hard to support Win/Mac/Linux with a great and lightweight video playback solution. It is truly wonderful technology. I just think that folks should consider standards as they are considering their larger video distribution objectives. Folks want to publish to the web AND other platforms like the iPod, PSP, Tivo, and mobile phones … what if one format/codec could support all of these?
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I do not believe that YouTube or Google video is streaming and/or coming from Adobe FCS servers which stream via a proprietary RTMP protocol. If they did they might risk being blocked by firewalls that don’t allow RTMP over port 1935. Here is a link about RTMP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTMP … so I still don’t think Adobe is making any money from Google and YouTube at this moment.
Quicktime and Real (as well as open source players like VLC) may soon be able to support a non-proprietary stack of MP4 or 3GP files with H264 and MP3 encoding distributed via HTTP or RTSP. This will soon allow you publish content that can be played by a variety of vendor software packages on every OS and potentially every device.
… Windows Media had a pretty dominant position recently. Back then folks wondered why I didn’t just adopt it as an exclusive format. Back then there was support for the latest WM codec on the Mac, now there isn’t and MS says that there wont be support for this in the future. I don’t think that Adobe will repeat this mistake. Would a different parent company of Macromedia do the same? Will Adobe be able to stay independent? I hope so.
My hunch is that most content owners don’t want to spend time being ahead of the curve or spend time encoding their content into a bunch of formats to support multiple devices. They want to focus on creating great content that can be played back well into the future regardless of the outcome of the vendor wars.
It is hard for me to criticize Adobe since the Flash team has worked so hard to support Win/Mac/Linux with a great and lightweight video playback solution. It is truly wonderful technology. I just think that folks should consider standards as they are considering their larger video distribution objectives. Folks want to publish to the web AND other platforms like the iPod, PSP, Tivo, and mobile phones … what if one format/codec could support all of these?
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Google flash videos are not streams… They are progressive. (stream videos you don’t see loading bars)
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Google flash videos are not streams… They are progressive. (stream videos you don’t see loading bars)
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I think Yahoo is using stream videos, see the difference from Google videos:
http://9.yahoo.com
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I think Yahoo is using stream videos, see the difference from Google videos:
http://9.yahoo.com
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Complaining about the user experience in this case seems valid, but complaining about Flash in general is a bit misguided. As several others have pointed out, the problem here is how Flash was implemented, and this particular implementation does nothing to help the user who does not have any Flash version installed.
This is like complaining about your new toaster because it is still sealed in the box, and therefore makes the process of producing your toast a bigger hassle than it ordinarily would be. Does that make toasters a bad idea?
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Complaining about the user experience in this case seems valid, but complaining about Flash in general is a bit misguided. As several others have pointed out, the problem here is how Flash was implemented, and this particular implementation does nothing to help the user who does not have any Flash version installed.
This is like complaining about your new toaster because it is still sealed in the box, and therefore makes the process of producing your toast a bigger hassle than it ordinarily would be. Does that make toasters a bad idea?
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That’s so right Brian!
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That’s so right Brian!
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Erik, Here is a sample of stream flash videos that I am working on: http://www.dme2004.com/DME_Podcasts/DMEPodcasts.html
PS: Only the Podcast Web version is working, a video will start playing if you select… Let me know if it plays ok on your side.
Best,
Ney
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Erik, Here is a sample of stream flash videos that I am working on: http://www.dme2004.com/DME_Podcasts/DMEPodcasts.html
PS: Only the Podcast Web version is working, a video will start playing if you select… Let me know if it plays ok on your side.
Best,
Ney
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I hate Flash whether it be Mcromedia or Adobe Flash.
Now that 99.9% of the advertising on sites like Yahoo is flash I definately UNINSTALLED it. Just so I could have my sanity back when using the “new” Yahoo Financial Message Boards.
Its made a big improvement too. Although 1/2 of the ads on Yahoo are Yahoo style= yimg.com or bannerspace.com ads or ATDMT.COM ads at least you can stopp all the distracting Flash ones by UNINSTALLING the Flash Player.
New Yahoo Message boards are causing 50% of people to leave their service in search of a new MB that is not threaded. Google Finance & Lycos Ragingbull.com are 2 examples of up and coming ones.
Bye Bye Flash..
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I hate Flash whether it be Mcromedia or Adobe Flash.
Now that 99.9% of the advertising on sites like Yahoo is flash I definately UNINSTALLED it. Just so I could have my sanity back when using the “new” Yahoo Financial Message Boards.
Its made a big improvement too. Although 1/2 of the ads on Yahoo are Yahoo style= yimg.com or bannerspace.com ads or ATDMT.COM ads at least you can stopp all the distracting Flash ones by UNINSTALLING the Flash Player.
New Yahoo Message boards are causing 50% of people to leave their service in search of a new MB that is not threaded. Google Finance & Lycos Ragingbull.com are 2 examples of up and coming ones.
Bye Bye Flash..
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# 57 quote:
“Got it? Flash became to big like windows and I hope someone out there besides Microsoft is working on a similar player or technology. Got have a competition and so far none. Like I what I wrote, the future is interactive television and not web, the internet is only a part of visual information that delivers what is becoming the next amazing creations of freedom displays… I mean we are going to see amazing ways of motion graphics that will be totally interactive, in all shapes and sizes… Bye Bye 4:3 or 16:9 video sizes and welcome circles, triangles, whatever sizes you may like… New software’s like flash professional will need to be created for the very soon technologies that most of you don’t even imagine will come true… More and more we want videos to be part of our daily life”
Wow what an Assumption. If we wanted the PC to emulate Telivision why wouldn’t we just use a Television ?
Most people with Television want a TIVO or DVR/PVR so they can CONTROL the PROGRAMMING & ELEIMINATE the Advertising.
Not the other way around. Flash Video’s embedded in CNN new Reports are the pits !!! I don’t watch them mainly because they have unblocked advertising for every clip you view. There is NO FUN in that.
Video Software blocking has yet to be perfected yet.
Computers are being run at their limit with plug ins by Microsoft! 5 SVCHOST.EXE programs run concurrently on every WinXP system communicating over the net.
(Hit Ctrl-Alt-Delete) on any WinXP machine & you get 30-40 programs being run in TSR memory. Especially if you have Adblocking or AntiVirus software.
At what point does this NONSENSE STOP?
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# 57 quote:
“Got it? Flash became to big like windows and I hope someone out there besides Microsoft is working on a similar player or technology. Got have a competition and so far none. Like I what I wrote, the future is interactive television and not web, the internet is only a part of visual information that delivers what is becoming the next amazing creations of freedom displays… I mean we are going to see amazing ways of motion graphics that will be totally interactive, in all shapes and sizes… Bye Bye 4:3 or 16:9 video sizes and welcome circles, triangles, whatever sizes you may like… New software’s like flash professional will need to be created for the very soon technologies that most of you don’t even imagine will come true… More and more we want videos to be part of our daily life”
Wow what an Assumption. If we wanted the PC to emulate Telivision why wouldn’t we just use a Television ?
Most people with Television want a TIVO or DVR/PVR so they can CONTROL the PROGRAMMING & ELEIMINATE the Advertising.
Not the other way around. Flash Video’s embedded in CNN new Reports are the pits !!! I don’t watch them mainly because they have unblocked advertising for every clip you view. There is NO FUN in that.
Video Software blocking has yet to be perfected yet.
Computers are being run at their limit with plug ins by Microsoft! 5 SVCHOST.EXE programs run concurrently on every WinXP system communicating over the net.
(Hit Ctrl-Alt-Delete) on any WinXP machine & you get 30-40 programs being run in TSR memory. Especially if you have Adblocking or AntiVirus software.
At what point does this NONSENSE STOP?
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Way back in 1999, when people communicated on BBS listings (in text form) Before AOL?eartlink or Compuserve was a household name we thought of the effect of Advertising on performance of the Internet.
As you can see below not much has changed:
Why Block Ads?
Increased Speed
The following quote came across the Edupage clipping service recently:
…Web surfers weary of enduring the “pulsating, candy-colored wave of advertising that has spread across the Internet,” increasingly are turning to ad-blocking to speed up their download times. “They are a symbol of people saying, ‘I’m not going to take it anymore,'” says Jakob Nielsen, co-founder of the Nielsen-Norman Group. … Many online advertisers dismiss the trend toward ad-blocking, noting that when faster connections are available, consumers will not be so annoyed about being forced to download cumbersome advertisement files.
(Los Angeles Times 2 Mar 99)
Unfortunately, higher internet access speeds make the problem worse, not better. As access speeds grow, the size and complexity of ads grows with it. Current ads contain animation or executable material and may even be complete programs that contain crude games. The bloat in these ads keeps the download times for pages at the ragged edge of tolerability even as access speeds increase dramatically. At the same time, the textual content that the ads supposedly support stays roughly the same, so the percentage of bandwidth used for ads climbs sharply and will approach 99% in the not-too-distant future. Indeed, as the speed of your internet access goes up, ad blocking becomes increasingly more beneficial, not less.
http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~atman/spam/adblock.shtml
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Way back in 1999, when people communicated on BBS listings (in text form) Before AOL?eartlink or Compuserve was a household name we thought of the effect of Advertising on performance of the Internet.
As you can see below not much has changed:
Why Block Ads?
Increased Speed
The following quote came across the Edupage clipping service recently:
…Web surfers weary of enduring the “pulsating, candy-colored wave of advertising that has spread across the Internet,” increasingly are turning to ad-blocking to speed up their download times. “They are a symbol of people saying, ‘I’m not going to take it anymore,'” says Jakob Nielsen, co-founder of the Nielsen-Norman Group. … Many online advertisers dismiss the trend toward ad-blocking, noting that when faster connections are available, consumers will not be so annoyed about being forced to download cumbersome advertisement files.
(Los Angeles Times 2 Mar 99)
Unfortunately, higher internet access speeds make the problem worse, not better. As access speeds grow, the size and complexity of ads grows with it. Current ads contain animation or executable material and may even be complete programs that contain crude games. The bloat in these ads keeps the download times for pages at the ragged edge of tolerability even as access speeds increase dramatically. At the same time, the textual content that the ads supposedly support stays roughly the same, so the percentage of bandwidth used for ads climbs sharply and will approach 99% in the not-too-distant future. Indeed, as the speed of your internet access goes up, ad blocking becomes increasingly more beneficial, not less.
http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~atman/spam/adblock.shtml
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Wow what an Assumption. If we wanted the PC to emulate Telivision why wouldn’t we just use a Television ?
Most people with Television want a TIVO or DVR/PVR so they can CONTROL the PROGRAMMING & ELEIMINATE the Advertising. Well, I have seen and work in some technology that will come true in some years to come. It is true, the internet is going to be a just a portal/path to deliver and recive information. Open TV formats are coming and I know that some companies already start working on free-chape OS system… Tivo, etc, tec, is just old technology and cool new systems will come along. I don’t see people using the internet like most do in the near future… it is going to be portable and faster… Time for the new era of interactive motion graphics everywhere.
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Wow what an Assumption. If we wanted the PC to emulate Telivision why wouldn’t we just use a Television ?
Most people with Television want a TIVO or DVR/PVR so they can CONTROL the PROGRAMMING & ELEIMINATE the Advertising. Well, I have seen and work in some technology that will come true in some years to come. It is true, the internet is going to be a just a portal/path to deliver and recive information. Open TV formats are coming and I know that some companies already start working on free-chape OS system… Tivo, etc, tec, is just old technology and cool new systems will come along. I don’t see people using the internet like most do in the near future… it is going to be portable and faster… Time for the new era of interactive motion graphics everywhere.
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“New Yahoo Message boards are causing 50% of people to leave their service in search of a new MB that is not threaded. Google Finance & Lycos Ragingbull.com are 2 examples of up and coming ones.
Bye Bye Flash.. ”
How stupid is that? Why “Bye Bye Flash..” and not Yahoo!? They are the one’s with the annoying ads right?
So, if they switched to ads made entirely of animated gifs would you turn off images and say “Bye Bye GIFs!”? I highly doubt it.
The worst part is that you pointed out using Google Finance. IT USES FLASH! Go here: http://finance.google.com/finance?cid=983582. Right click on the chart and what do you see? The Flash Player! Oh wait, you uninstalled it so I guess you don’t get all of the rich functionality Google created.
Now, I’m not the one to flame people publicly but come on. Publicy ignorance deserves public bashing, right?
This whole post, as others have said, is ridiculous. With all of the bad implementations of WMV, Real, QuickTime, etc out there, why is Flash being bashed? I mean seriously…I guess you like clicking on the Windows Media, Real, or QT logo for video sites. LOL.
As Mike Chambers so eloquently pointed out (lol), what happens when you visit a page with a WMV and don’t have the “plugin” (player) installed? Well, for him (on a Mac) it did something different than what it would do for me. What does it do for me in Firefox on a PC?
THE SAME DANG THING! Seriously, the same window shows window/bar shows for QT, Real, and Windows Media. Why is this? BECAUSE THEY ARE PLUGINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL. Come on…let’s get real. Google Video and YouTube wouldn’t be nearly as successful using any other technology. If you think so, name one (just one!) site that is even close to being as big as they are for video and doesn’t use the Flash Player.
1 more thing about the person who said, in my words, “Flash is bad since it can’t be searched.” What happens when the search engines get smart enough to search inside of swfs? Hrmmm…what will be your excuse for not using Flash then? It will have the same abilities as HTML plus TONS more. Just a thought. 🙂
I’ll stop there. I could go on all day and refute each and every negative statement on this site but I need to get off of this laptop. 🙂
Scoble, you definitely opened a can that seems you can’t provide educated or even remotely eloquent responses to any of the Flash facts folks gave above. You seemed to nicely avoid many of the facts. 🙂 Give us more than a badly done site as proof why you shouldn’t use Flash. Otherwise, turn off images (to remove animated gif’s), uninstall Windows Media Player/QT/Real (since a badly done site will show the same message), and don’t install WPF/E when it comes out. Then you’ll get nothing but text and you should be happy. 😉 Go 1985!
(sorry for the flaming; ignorance/close minded people irritate me)
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“New Yahoo Message boards are causing 50% of people to leave their service in search of a new MB that is not threaded. Google Finance & Lycos Ragingbull.com are 2 examples of up and coming ones.
Bye Bye Flash.. ”
How stupid is that? Why “Bye Bye Flash..” and not Yahoo!? They are the one’s with the annoying ads right?
So, if they switched to ads made entirely of animated gifs would you turn off images and say “Bye Bye GIFs!”? I highly doubt it.
The worst part is that you pointed out using Google Finance. IT USES FLASH! Go here: http://finance.google.com/finance?cid=983582. Right click on the chart and what do you see? The Flash Player! Oh wait, you uninstalled it so I guess you don’t get all of the rich functionality Google created.
Now, I’m not the one to flame people publicly but come on. Publicy ignorance deserves public bashing, right?
This whole post, as others have said, is ridiculous. With all of the bad implementations of WMV, Real, QuickTime, etc out there, why is Flash being bashed? I mean seriously…I guess you like clicking on the Windows Media, Real, or QT logo for video sites. LOL.
As Mike Chambers so eloquently pointed out (lol), what happens when you visit a page with a WMV and don’t have the “plugin” (player) installed? Well, for him (on a Mac) it did something different than what it would do for me. What does it do for me in Firefox on a PC?
THE SAME DANG THING! Seriously, the same window shows window/bar shows for QT, Real, and Windows Media. Why is this? BECAUSE THEY ARE PLUGINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL. Come on…let’s get real. Google Video and YouTube wouldn’t be nearly as successful using any other technology. If you think so, name one (just one!) site that is even close to being as big as they are for video and doesn’t use the Flash Player.
1 more thing about the person who said, in my words, “Flash is bad since it can’t be searched.” What happens when the search engines get smart enough to search inside of swfs? Hrmmm…what will be your excuse for not using Flash then? It will have the same abilities as HTML plus TONS more. Just a thought. 🙂
I’ll stop there. I could go on all day and refute each and every negative statement on this site but I need to get off of this laptop. 🙂
Scoble, you definitely opened a can that seems you can’t provide educated or even remotely eloquent responses to any of the Flash facts folks gave above. You seemed to nicely avoid many of the facts. 🙂 Give us more than a badly done site as proof why you shouldn’t use Flash. Otherwise, turn off images (to remove animated gif’s), uninstall Windows Media Player/QT/Real (since a badly done site will show the same message), and don’t install WPF/E when it comes out. Then you’ll get nothing but text and you should be happy. 😉 Go 1985!
(sorry for the flaming; ignorance/close minded people irritate me)
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Why Flash?
Over 700 million Internet-connected desktops and mobile devices have flash installed. Flash content reaches 97.7% of Internet viewers. Flash is here to stay and it will get even more big.
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Why Flash?
Over 700 million Internet-connected desktops and mobile devices have flash installed. Flash content reaches 97.7% of Internet viewers. Flash is here to stay and it will get even more big.
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I had a similar discussion the other day. You can find the article here http://www.curtismorley.com
I list many sites that are successful using Flash and still make it on the search engines.
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I had a similar discussion the other day. You can find the article here http://www.curtismorley.com
I list many sites that are successful using Flash and still make it on the search engines.
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i DONT USE FLASH BECAUSE it INVITES ADVERTISING that
i dont want to see. Since Adobe bought flash Advertising has EXPLODED into being written into ever crevice and webpage on Yahoo, Ebay, common sites. When using IE and I don’t have flash I get an error message.
When using flash the pages load up SLOW for the Advertising content that is embedded and delays loading other content first. I HATE fricking FLASH. NO MORE ADVERTISING would render FLASH obsolete. Plus I don’t like distracting web pages. When Yahoo Finance change its message boards I UNINSTALLED FLASH PLAYER. Exactly 1/2 of my ANNONYING ADS disappeared. Now All I have to do is to figure out a way to get the Banner space and th yimg (yahoo ads) to disappear and I will have it made.
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i DONT USE FLASH BECAUSE it INVITES ADVERTISING that
i dont want to see. Since Adobe bought flash Advertising has EXPLODED into being written into ever crevice and webpage on Yahoo, Ebay, common sites. When using IE and I don’t have flash I get an error message.
When using flash the pages load up SLOW for the Advertising content that is embedded and delays loading other content first. I HATE fricking FLASH. NO MORE ADVERTISING would render FLASH obsolete. Plus I don’t like distracting web pages. When Yahoo Finance change its message boards I UNINSTALLED FLASH PLAYER. Exactly 1/2 of my ANNONYING ADS disappeared. Now All I have to do is to figure out a way to get the Banner space and th yimg (yahoo ads) to disappear and I will have it made.
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James Bailey- I like YOUR way of thinking. ~~~~~~~~~~
As far as I can tell, 99% of all flash is advertisements. I don’t want to see flash advertisements. It is very easy to turn off Flash in Safari without any hacks or add ons. I just turn off plug-ins in the security preferences. The only plug-ins I want are Quicktime embeds and for those I have a simple AppleScript that turns plug-ins on and off from the AppleScript menu as needed.
If you are a company that wants my business, it is unlikely that you will get it if your design requires flash. I simply don’t see it because it is almost always turned off.
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James Bailey- I like YOUR way of thinking. ~~~~~~~~~~
As far as I can tell, 99% of all flash is advertisements. I don’t want to see flash advertisements. It is very easy to turn off Flash in Safari without any hacks or add ons. I just turn off plug-ins in the security preferences. The only plug-ins I want are Quicktime embeds and for those I have a simple AppleScript that turns plug-ins on and off from the AppleScript menu as needed.
If you are a company that wants my business, it is unlikely that you will get it if your design requires flash. I simply don’t see it because it is almost always turned off.
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Thank you the guys thank you Robert Scoble Favour has you I took away head and pub in Flash of my sites.
I am in order concentrate on a html (xhtml) check and ca has given me fastness and one see information apparently. Greeting
ps. Never more Flash in navigations.
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Thank you the guys thank you Robert Scoble Favour has you I took away head and pub in Flash of my sites.
I am in order concentrate on a html (xhtml) check and ca has given me fastness and one see information apparently. Greeting
ps. Never more Flash in navigations.
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hey scoble, can you fix your scobleshow? http://timheuer.com/blog/archive/2006/10/23/13783.aspx
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hey scoble, can you fix your scobleshow? http://timheuer.com/blog/archive/2006/10/23/13783.aspx
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Actually, your average user will install the plugin without a second thought. You’ve been thinking like geeks, who might have enough knowledge to be reticent.
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Actually, your average user will install the plugin without a second thought. You’ve been thinking like geeks, who might have enough knowledge to be reticent.
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