Patrick sad at the price…

Patrick has saved up $700. He was hoping that a new iBook would come out from Apple, but that didn’t happen. Now he has his eyes on a new MacBook (he hates the name, by the way).

Dang, how does a 12-year-old kid save up $700? I remember in high school working all summer to buy a $400 camera. Money isn’t worth what it used to be. Although the cool computers continue hanging around the $2,000 price level.

I hear I might have a new Lenovo Tablet soon. I’m going to tempt him with that. It’s lighter and would make a lot more sense for someone going to school. Personally I’m scared of him having such an expensive laptop, though.

For myself I’m intrigued by the new MacBook cause it looks like it’ll run both Windows and OSX. Let’s see. New MacBook? Or HDTV? Nah, sorry, HDTV wins. ๐Ÿ˜‰

Oh, and did I mention that Patrick really doesn’t like the name? Oh, Patrick, no biggie, just cover it up with a sticker and everything will be fine. I have a selection here for you. Let’s see, I have Technorati stickers. I have one of the very rare Mozilla.org stickers, and I have some Blogger stickers. I just realized weย need a Channel 9 sticker!

Update: Tristan Louis has drawn up some comparison charts of the new MacBook compared to the old PowerBooks as well as to a PC model.

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  1. “Oh, and did I mention that Patrick really doesnโ€™t like the name?”

    Why would you ask if you had mentioned it? Does your blogging tool use white on white for the colors in the posting area? Can’t you just look back and SEE if you mentioned it. It’s like typing. “Hang on, phone. Ok I’m back.”. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I shudder to think what they’ll call the Ibooktels.

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  2. “Oh, and did I mention that Patrick really doesnโ€™t like the name?”

    Why would you ask if you had mentioned it? Does your blogging tool use white on white for the colors in the posting area? Can’t you just look back and SEE if you mentioned it. It’s like typing. “Hang on, phone. Ok I’m back.”. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I shudder to think what they’ll call the Ibooktels.

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  3. It would be harder to etch than those examples since it probably only says “MacBook” on the inside, near the hinge (at least going by my iBook.)

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  4. There is always eBay. My son had a bunch of gadgets and old video games lying around that he never used. We just sold it on eBay and he was able to use that money to buy a Sony PSP….

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  5. It would be harder to etch than those examples since it probably only says “MacBook” on the inside, near the hinge (at least going by my iBook.)

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  6. There is always eBay. My son had a bunch of gadgets and old video games lying around that he never used. We just sold it on eBay and he was able to use that money to buy a Sony PSP….

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  7. Wait for the Lenovo X60 Tablet which is due by the end of this year.

    If you got a chance to play with the X60 at CES then you know how solid of a machine it is. 12 freaking inches, dual core, 7200 RPM hard drives…

    The tablet version is due by the end of the year according to the verious reps i questioned.

    Little upset I missed ya at CES, oh well, the show was huge and I had A LOT fo fun.

    Something you haven’t been blogging about that’s quite upsetting is the Sony Reader. That thing is revolutionary!

    Microsoft, Sony, and all the worlds major publishers should get together in a room and figure out how to best make this mainstream technology.

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  8. Wait for the Lenovo X60 Tablet which is due by the end of this year.

    If you got a chance to play with the X60 at CES then you know how solid of a machine it is. 12 freaking inches, dual core, 7200 RPM hard drives…

    The tablet version is due by the end of the year according to the verious reps i questioned.

    Little upset I missed ya at CES, oh well, the show was huge and I had A LOT fo fun.

    Something you haven’t been blogging about that’s quite upsetting is the Sony Reader. That thing is revolutionary!

    Microsoft, Sony, and all the worlds major publishers should get together in a room and figure out how to best make this mainstream technology.

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  9. Patrick, if you can wait, then an Intel-based iBook isn’t going to be too far away. Almost certainly by the time of this year’s back to school buying season.

    Apple have clearly positioned their first Intel Core Duo laptop as an expensive pro device. Once this audience is satisfied, the affordable consumer level laptop will appear.

    As for not liking the name “MacBook Pro” – maybe there’s some good news. They kept the name “iMac” so it’s possible they’ll keep the name “iBook.” (There’s no “Power” to get rid of!)

    Other reasons to wait:

    – it’ll take a while to hack Windows drivers for it, for that ultimate dual-boot thing us geeks want
    – many apps will not be native for a while (esp. Photoshop), so even though the new machines are theoretically faster, they’ll often be slower
    – iLife 06, OS X Tiger, etc will run almost as good on any existing Mac

    But the biggest reason I want you to wait…

    – I don’t want your order to get in ahead of mine! (Just joking.)

    It’s a nice start from Apple, but there are more things to come.

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  10. Patrick, if you can wait, then an Intel-based iBook isn’t going to be too far away. Almost certainly by the time of this year’s back to school buying season.

    Apple have clearly positioned their first Intel Core Duo laptop as an expensive pro device. Once this audience is satisfied, the affordable consumer level laptop will appear.

    As for not liking the name “MacBook Pro” – maybe there’s some good news. They kept the name “iMac” so it’s possible they’ll keep the name “iBook.” (There’s no “Power” to get rid of!)

    Other reasons to wait:

    – it’ll take a while to hack Windows drivers for it, for that ultimate dual-boot thing us geeks want
    – many apps will not be native for a while (esp. Photoshop), so even though the new machines are theoretically faster, they’ll often be slower
    – iLife 06, OS X Tiger, etc will run almost as good on any existing Mac

    But the biggest reason I want you to wait…

    – I don’t want your order to get in ahead of mine! (Just joking.)

    It’s a nice start from Apple, but there are more things to come.

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  11. Yeah, Reader is great…finally a decent eBook system. I am gonna become a biggie Evangelist for this thing, it’s great. With a big pox on Microsoft for abandoning things eBooking. And it does RSS, so the blog kiddies can dance the waltz. Books, literature and such stuff doesn’t provide any hook. Heh.

    And oh, unless you have high-up friends pulling strings (which I’d be you do), the logisitical wait for things Lenovo is measured in months and months. But, like Stefan, I’d wait for the x60, but just be prepared to wait upon waiting. The supply chain management at Lenovo is about at the Xbox 360 competence (and lame excuse) level. And if you have any technical problems and need support, that’s another forever wait. Lots of corporates finding that IBM was a Jedi Master at things logistical, compared to Lenovo. Word to wise.

    Key words that factor in with anything Lenovo, “just two more weeks”, heard that so many times, that it is a theme, if not a company slogan. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    But dang, such lustable Mac hardware. I hope this kicks them up and onward more…

    http://blog.ziffdavis.com/devlife/archive/2005/08/05/23517.aspx

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  12. Yeah, Reader is great…finally a decent eBook system. I am gonna become a biggie Evangelist for this thing, it’s great. With a big pox on Microsoft for abandoning things eBooking. And it does RSS, so the blog kiddies can dance the waltz. Books, literature and such stuff doesn’t provide any hook. Heh.

    And oh, unless you have high-up friends pulling strings (which I’d be you do), the logisitical wait for things Lenovo is measured in months and months. But, like Stefan, I’d wait for the x60, but just be prepared to wait upon waiting. The supply chain management at Lenovo is about at the Xbox 360 competence (and lame excuse) level. And if you have any technical problems and need support, that’s another forever wait. Lots of corporates finding that IBM was a Jedi Master at things logistical, compared to Lenovo. Word to wise.

    Key words that factor in with anything Lenovo, “just two more weeks”, heard that so many times, that it is a theme, if not a company slogan. ๐Ÿ˜‰

    But dang, such lustable Mac hardware. I hope this kicks them up and onward more…

    http://blog.ziffdavis.com/devlife/archive/2005/08/05/23517.aspx

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  13. The biggest takeaway from Macworld?

    14M iPods sold. The iPod business vs. the Xbox business is no contest….

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  14. The biggest takeaway from Macworld?

    14M iPods sold. The iPod business vs. the Xbox business is no contest….

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  15. Five Apple reps at the booth stated that it will be impossible to install Windows on the new Intel Macs. Sigh. I had such high hopes. Maybe a new version of Virtual PC for the Mac will talk directly to the Intel processor…

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  16. Five Apple reps at the booth stated that it will be impossible to install Windows on the new Intel Macs. Sigh. I had such high hopes. Maybe a new version of Virtual PC for the Mac will talk directly to the Intel processor…

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  17. “Does it run windows?”

    LOL, that takes the wind right out of the sails of one of Roberts first questions whenever someone mentions a platform other than Windows. “Does it run application X?”

    Well, yes. If you dual-boot. ๐Ÿ˜‰
    I guess he’ll have to modify his question to be, “Does it have a digitizer pen?” hehehe ๐Ÿ˜‰

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  18. “Does it run windows?”

    LOL, that takes the wind right out of the sails of one of Roberts first questions whenever someone mentions a platform other than Windows. “Does it run application X?”

    Well, yes. If you dual-boot. ๐Ÿ˜‰
    I guess he’ll have to modify his question to be, “Does it have a digitizer pen?” hehehe ๐Ÿ˜‰

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  19. Anona: higher stock prices come from growth. Growth comes from better products. Apple has better products right now. But I’ve seen this before. Remember 1989? Apple had better products back then too. So, what happened? Were you even born in 1989?

    Kevin: would love one!

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  20. Anona: higher stock prices come from growth. Growth comes from better products. Apple has better products right now. But I’ve seen this before. Remember 1989? Apple had better products back then too. So, what happened? Were you even born in 1989?

    Kevin: would love one!

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  21. “Remember 1989?”

    Remember Standard Oil Trust, AT&T, Enron, Lucent, heck, GM? They were some of the largest, best known companies around. Some even monopolies like MSFT. The bigger you are, the harder you fall. So you have to do some remembering too.

    “Apple has better products right now”

    Markets look into the future too. They don’t see anything exciting coming out of Redmond. You can’t blog that away.

    “Were you even born in 1989?”

    I’m over 49. Are you?

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  22. “Remember 1989?”

    Remember Standard Oil Trust, AT&T, Enron, Lucent, heck, GM? They were some of the largest, best known companies around. Some even monopolies like MSFT. The bigger you are, the harder you fall. So you have to do some remembering too.

    “Apple has better products right now”

    Markets look into the future too. They don’t see anything exciting coming out of Redmond. You can’t blog that away.

    “Were you even born in 1989?”

    I’m over 49. Are you?

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  24. Does anybody else see the irony in the son of the most well-known Microsoft Evangelist being so pro-Apple?

    Robert, if you can’t even convince your own son of the merits of the Windows platform, how can you possibly convince the rest of the world?

    I’m not trying to be argumentative – this is a genuine question. I am continually bemused at how Apple manage to brainwash so many people into being so pro-Apple.

    Mark

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  25. Does anybody else see the irony in the son of the most well-known Microsoft Evangelist being so pro-Apple?

    Robert, if you can’t even convince your own son of the merits of the Windows platform, how can you possibly convince the rest of the world?

    I’m not trying to be argumentative – this is a genuine question. I am continually bemused at how Apple manage to brainwash so many people into being so pro-Apple.

    Mark

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  26. Of course, if etching is too tricky, or he wants to really rebrand it, he could go for one of the Aspoke laptop skins. Mine’s been on my iBook for a few days now, and looks great. And when he changes his mind, he can just peel it off and get a new one ๐Ÿ™‚

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  27. Of course, if etching is too tricky, or he wants to really rebrand it, he could go for one of the Aspoke laptop skins. Mine’s been on my iBook for a few days now, and looks great. And when he changes his mind, he can just peel it off and get a new one ๐Ÿ™‚

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  28. The “i” tag in Apple sounds cool. iBook, iPod, etc. Macbook definitely sucks but it looks gorgeous. And how much does a Lenovo tablet cost anyway?

    And sorry if this offends you dude but your blog design is kinda too simple & lame, would be nice if you had a layout or something other than the banner. Also, font size=”2″ would be great.

    Hope you get to read this

    ~ CC

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  29. The “i” tag in Apple sounds cool. iBook, iPod, etc. Macbook definitely sucks but it looks gorgeous. And how much does a Lenovo tablet cost anyway?

    And sorry if this offends you dude but your blog design is kinda too simple & lame, would be nice if you had a layout or something other than the banner. Also, font size=”2″ would be great.

    Hope you get to read this

    ~ CC

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  30. Dude,

    Don’t try to foist a tablet PC off on the kid. He knows what he wants, and you can either help him buy it or not. Handing him a windoze tablet would be like getting a “Kenmore” guitar from Sears when he wanted a Fender Strat.

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  31. Dude,

    Don’t try to foist a tablet PC off on the kid. He knows what he wants, and you can either help him buy it or not. Handing him a windoze tablet would be like getting a “Kenmore” guitar from Sears when he wanted a Fender Strat.

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  32. Scoble,

    Do you actually fail to see what’s different between now and 1989 at Apple, or are you being a spinmeister?

    Hint: in 1989, SJ was busy creating a machine with a development evironment that MS will never equal. (Yes, I’ve seen .NOT, and it’s a joke.)

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  33. Scoble,

    Do you actually fail to see what’s different between now and 1989 at Apple, or are you being a spinmeister?

    Hint: in 1989, SJ was busy creating a machine with a development evironment that MS will never equal. (Yes, I’ve seen .NOT, and it’s a joke.)

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  34. Tablets are cool and all, but I honestly don’t see why you guys are trying to market them as the end-all, be-all of laptops. You know, if I were a graphic artist, I MIGHT consider a Tablet over a laptop with digitizer tablet. Aside from that, where the big sell?

    The MacBook and the i(ntel)Mac are fast and they run OSX. More likely than not, Linux and Windows will be tearing ass on ’em with or without hacks. Sorry, folks, but that value is worth any premium on the machine. Not to mention you get a full blog/podcasting/vidcasting/photocasting suite and a myriad of awesome software by default.

    Finally, I just want to say … THIS IS HOW KEYNOTES ARE DONE. Really, Apple got more hype and ignited every tech blog and site on the Internet in one day than the entirety of CES did. Talk about mindshare…

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  35. Tablets are cool and all, but I honestly don’t see why you guys are trying to market them as the end-all, be-all of laptops. You know, if I were a graphic artist, I MIGHT consider a Tablet over a laptop with digitizer tablet. Aside from that, where the big sell?

    The MacBook and the i(ntel)Mac are fast and they run OSX. More likely than not, Linux and Windows will be tearing ass on ’em with or without hacks. Sorry, folks, but that value is worth any premium on the machine. Not to mention you get a full blog/podcasting/vidcasting/photocasting suite and a myriad of awesome software by default.

    Finally, I just want to say … THIS IS HOW KEYNOTES ARE DONE. Really, Apple got more hype and ignited every tech blog and site on the Internet in one day than the entirety of CES did. Talk about mindshare…

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  36. Robert – you ARE going to match his $700, dollar for dollar, right? When I was young, I saved up $500 for a bike and that’s what my dad did! Pullin’ for ya kid :p

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  37. Robert – you ARE going to match his $700, dollar for dollar, right? When I was young, I saved up $500 for a bike and that’s what my dad did! Pullin’ for ya kid :p

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  38. I could use a couple Channel 9 stickers to cover up Tetra’s comments ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I’m not a graphic artist, and I doubt that I’d ever go back to a non-tablet machine. Until you’ve used OneNote (especially some of the features in version 12) with a tablet, you just don’t get it. Finding that special little scribble from a meeting 3 months ago that’s now burried deep in your OneNote notebook is nothing short of miraculous. I’ve eliminated the stacks of coil notebooks beside my desk and can actually REFER to my notes.

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  39. I could use a couple Channel 9 stickers to cover up Tetra’s comments ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I’m not a graphic artist, and I doubt that I’d ever go back to a non-tablet machine. Until you’ve used OneNote (especially some of the features in version 12) with a tablet, you just don’t get it. Finding that special little scribble from a meeting 3 months ago that’s now burried deep in your OneNote notebook is nothing short of miraculous. I’ve eliminated the stacks of coil notebooks beside my desk and can actually REFER to my notes.

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  40. I was rather hoping the same as Patrick, or at least that a new super-iBook would push down the price of current models. I’m in need of something considerably more mobile than what I’ve got. (*cough*) I haven’t quite saved up the $700 yet though…

    Now I’ve the dilemma over whether to fork out โ‚ฌ1000 for the current iBook 12″ (which I really fancy because I’ve never had a Mac or played with OS X) or just bite the bullet and get a cheapo Dell or somesuch and slap on Ubuntu.

    Patrick, if you’re reading, if you see a good alternative please ping me.

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  41. I was rather hoping the same as Patrick, or at least that a new super-iBook would push down the price of current models. I’m in need of something considerably more mobile than what I’ve got. (*cough*) I haven’t quite saved up the $700 yet though…

    Now I’ve the dilemma over whether to fork out โ‚ฌ1000 for the current iBook 12″ (which I really fancy because I’ve never had a Mac or played with OS X) or just bite the bullet and get a cheapo Dell or somesuch and slap on Ubuntu.

    Patrick, if you’re reading, if you see a good alternative please ping me.

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  42. I just realized we need a Channel 9 sticker!

    What good ia a tech fad is without lots and lots of swag? And well, if so, you need to send one to Pluto, home of Esther Dyson, she collects start-uppy stickers for her laptoppies; traveling museums of the irrational exuberant.

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  43. I just realized we need a Channel 9 sticker!

    What good ia a tech fad is without lots and lots of swag? And well, if so, you need to send one to Pluto, home of Esther Dyson, she collects start-uppy stickers for her laptoppies; traveling museums of the irrational exuberant.

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  44. “Until youโ€™ve used OneNote (especially some of the features in version 12) with a tablet, you just donโ€™t get it. Finding that special little scribble from a meeting 3 months ago thatโ€™s now burried deep in your OneNote notebook is nothing short of miraculous.”

    I have used OneNote, and it’s a fantastic piece of software. Don’t get me wrong – every Tablet PC I’ve played with has been very good. Still, I guarantee you my type speed (and that of just about everyone else in the business world) renders that point moot. You can find a special scribble from a meeting 3 months ago just as quickly as I can find the entirety of minutes I typed up 3 months ago in Microsoft Word Notebook.

    Like I said, good machines and all, but the fanaticism around Tablets here is kind of … I don’t know … overblown? It’s a neat feature and that’s about it. If I were recommending a business laptop to someone, the ability to run MacOS, Windows and Linux on one machine would instantly trump tablet features.

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  45. “Until youโ€™ve used OneNote (especially some of the features in version 12) with a tablet, you just donโ€™t get it. Finding that special little scribble from a meeting 3 months ago thatโ€™s now burried deep in your OneNote notebook is nothing short of miraculous.”

    I have used OneNote, and it’s a fantastic piece of software. Don’t get me wrong – every Tablet PC I’ve played with has been very good. Still, I guarantee you my type speed (and that of just about everyone else in the business world) renders that point moot. You can find a special scribble from a meeting 3 months ago just as quickly as I can find the entirety of minutes I typed up 3 months ago in Microsoft Word Notebook.

    Like I said, good machines and all, but the fanaticism around Tablets here is kind of … I don’t know … overblown? It’s a neat feature and that’s about it. If I were recommending a business laptop to someone, the ability to run MacOS, Windows and Linux on one machine would instantly trump tablet features.

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  46. Tetra— I agree with you. I type WAY faster than I “pen” too, but in some of the circles I work in, typing in a meeting is considered bad manners (some people just don’t get it). And I agree… some of the tablet folks are a LITTLE over the top. In my opinion, for the ACTUAL cost of the components and software to drive them, and without too much of a premium, more laptops could have the funtionality just so it’s there when you need it. I too would LOVE to have a Mac that could run multiple OSs, including the XP Tablet OS. I’d sign a Purchase Order today.

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  47. Tetra— I agree with you. I type WAY faster than I “pen” too, but in some of the circles I work in, typing in a meeting is considered bad manners (some people just don’t get it). And I agree… some of the tablet folks are a LITTLE over the top. In my opinion, for the ACTUAL cost of the components and software to drive them, and without too much of a premium, more laptops could have the funtionality just so it’s there when you need it. I too would LOVE to have a Mac that could run multiple OSs, including the XP Tablet OS. I’d sign a Purchase Order today.

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  48. “Does anybody else see the irony in the son of the most well-known Microsoft Evangelist being so pro-Apple?”

    Well what else can the kid rebel against?

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  49. “Does anybody else see the irony in the son of the most well-known Microsoft Evangelist being so pro-Apple?”

    Well what else can the kid rebel against?

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  50. I really wish Apple would just come out and say if the new Macs will be able to run Windows. As soon as I can play Half-Life 2 and Splinter Cell on a Mac, I’ll switch.

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  51. I really wish Apple would just come out and say if the new Macs will be able to run Windows. As soon as I can play Half-Life 2 and Splinter Cell on a Mac, I’ll switch.

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  52. Scob, get the poor kid the MacBook if he agrees to run Windows on it for at least 5 minutes each day ๐Ÿ˜‰

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  53. Scob, get the poor kid the MacBook if he agrees to run Windows on it for at least 5 minutes each day ๐Ÿ˜‰

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  54. I can relate to Patrick. I’m sad at the price of the new Bugatti Veyron:

    It costs over $1M dollars to buy. That doesn’t make it bad value for money though. It’s actually good value for money, in the sense that it actually costs them about $5M to make each one (Robert, you need to tell Bill G to get one of these – he’d love it, it’s a truly amazing car).

    The thing is though: if Patrick just waits a few months for the new MacBook to come out (not the MacBook Pro which came out yesterday), he’ll be able to afford one. I’m not convinced I’ll *ever* have enough spare cash to *afford* a Veyron. And even if I do, it won’t be in a few months…

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  55. I can relate to Patrick. I’m sad at the price of the new Bugatti Veyron:

    It costs over $1M dollars to buy. That doesn’t make it bad value for money though. It’s actually good value for money, in the sense that it actually costs them about $5M to make each one (Robert, you need to tell Bill G to get one of these – he’d love it, it’s a truly amazing car).

    The thing is though: if Patrick just waits a few months for the new MacBook to come out (not the MacBook Pro which came out yesterday), he’ll be able to afford one. I’m not convinced I’ll *ever* have enough spare cash to *afford* a Veyron. And even if I do, it won’t be in a few months…

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  56. Has anyone else noticed that the MacBook is just plain fugly? It looks like a PC.

    And I too think it’s hilarious that Scoble’s son loves Macintosh :-). Teenage rebellion does take interesting forms in the digital world.

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  57. Has anyone else noticed that the MacBook is just plain fugly? It looks like a PC.

    And I too think it’s hilarious that Scoble’s son loves Macintosh :-). Teenage rebellion does take interesting forms in the digital world.

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  58. >Robert, if you canโ€™t even convince your own son of the merits of the Windows platform, how can you possibly convince the rest of the world?

    My son wants the expensive MacBook cause it’ll run both Windows and OSX. Enough said. Problem is he’ll probably get a iBook now, and a Tablet PC for high school. He already has a Windows machine.

    He’s an iPod fan, which got him sold on Apple stuff.

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  59. >Robert, if you canโ€™t even convince your own son of the merits of the Windows platform, how can you possibly convince the rest of the world?

    My son wants the expensive MacBook cause it’ll run both Windows and OSX. Enough said. Problem is he’ll probably get a iBook now, and a Tablet PC for high school. He already has a Windows machine.

    He’s an iPod fan, which got him sold on Apple stuff.

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  60. Tetra says: “If I were recommending a business laptop to someone, the ability to run MacOS, Windows and Linux on one machine would instantly trump tablet features.”

    As a developer, I’d seriously consider a single machine that could run all three OSes. However, I’m not so sure about the typical business user. The maintenance, training costs, duplication of apps needed across the OSes for a base set of functionality, and so on would probably cost too much.

    I’d agree though, if you have two or three machines running different OSes today (which you don’t need to use at the same time), that a single machine running all of the OSes could be a cost savings that outstrips the benefits of a Tablet PC. I don’t know how common this is. I’m guessing that there are more people that could benefit from the mobility of a Tablet than the ability to have access to multiple OSes.

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  61. Tetra says: “If I were recommending a business laptop to someone, the ability to run MacOS, Windows and Linux on one machine would instantly trump tablet features.”

    As a developer, I’d seriously consider a single machine that could run all three OSes. However, I’m not so sure about the typical business user. The maintenance, training costs, duplication of apps needed across the OSes for a base set of functionality, and so on would probably cost too much.

    I’d agree though, if you have two or three machines running different OSes today (which you don’t need to use at the same time), that a single machine running all of the OSes could be a cost savings that outstrips the benefits of a Tablet PC. I don’t know how common this is. I’m guessing that there are more people that could benefit from the mobility of a Tablet than the ability to have access to multiple OSes.

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  62. Patrick is upset a computer costs more than $700 while you have nothing to say about Microsoft charging $299 for a CD with Windows XP on it.

    Your evangelist job is too easy.

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  63. Patrick is upset a computer costs more than $700 while you have nothing to say about Microsoft charging $299 for a CD with Windows XP on it.

    Your evangelist job is too easy.

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  64. “I bought Patrick a computer for less than $500 that had XP on it already.”

    Dude, you’re getting a Dell.

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  65. “I bought Patrick a computer for less than $500 that had XP on it already.”

    Dude, you’re getting a Dell.

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  66. Scoble, throwing around stock price again?

    I was alive in ’89 and I remember the release of the first Powerbook, the best laptop at the time. I remember a couple (but only a couple) of people dickering around with a shitty system called Windows OS 2.0. I remember that Jobs hadn’t been at the company for 4 years but had started a cool company that had great machines.

    As for the last five years, I don’t remember, I know, that your company’s stock price has been going sideways.

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  67. Scoble, throwing around stock price again?

    I was alive in ’89 and I remember the release of the first Powerbook, the best laptop at the time. I remember a couple (but only a couple) of people dickering around with a shitty system called Windows OS 2.0. I remember that Jobs hadn’t been at the company for 4 years but had started a cool company that had great machines.

    As for the last five years, I don’t remember, I know, that your company’s stock price has been going sideways.

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  68. Oh, I should also add: Apple is likely to surpass Dell in market capital tomorrow. Did anyone ever expect that to happen? Does anyone remember where Dell was in 1989?

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  69. Oh, I should also add: Apple is likely to surpass Dell in market capital tomorrow. Did anyone ever expect that to happen? Does anyone remember where Dell was in 1989?

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  70. Keep in mind a few notes:
    1) The macbook won’t currently run most of the software available – especially those available from the MacBU. Office will run in Rossetta, but Virtual PC won’t run at all. I’d suspect this is strongly due to endian issues as well as the libraries referenced (and using codeworks instead of Apple’s developer tools)
    2) Windows XP will NOT currently boot on these laptops – it’s possible if the EFI system has BIOS compatibility but that’s not guaranteed at all.
    3) Windows Vista WILL boot on these laptops – Vista supports the new EFI standard which replaces the BIOS standard.
    4) As this is a new system, keep in mind there will be other bugs and issues yet to be discovered. It’s quite possible that some things will change as people play around with these – look to geek sites the next month before purchasing.

    Last, until more is known, no assumptions should be made. This looks like a VERY nice laptop based on hardware specs and included features (i.e. the camera & remote for example), the basic software included (which stand-alone in the PC world costs quite a bit, and is often not as functional). I’ve got more than a few friends right now considering such a beast because of GarageBand and the other iLife features. Most of the musicians I know love these things, as it’s an easy way to do music right out of the box. You don’t have to buy any additional software. Windows, you have to find/buy tons of software immediately after purchasing such a system.

    Anyways, I’d give it a month or so before purchasing, let people produce the updates, patches, etc. to get things working on these new laptops, especially office/Virtual PC

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  71. Keep in mind a few notes:
    1) The macbook won’t currently run most of the software available – especially those available from the MacBU. Office will run in Rossetta, but Virtual PC won’t run at all. I’d suspect this is strongly due to endian issues as well as the libraries referenced (and using codeworks instead of Apple’s developer tools)
    2) Windows XP will NOT currently boot on these laptops – it’s possible if the EFI system has BIOS compatibility but that’s not guaranteed at all.
    3) Windows Vista WILL boot on these laptops – Vista supports the new EFI standard which replaces the BIOS standard.
    4) As this is a new system, keep in mind there will be other bugs and issues yet to be discovered. It’s quite possible that some things will change as people play around with these – look to geek sites the next month before purchasing.

    Last, until more is known, no assumptions should be made. This looks like a VERY nice laptop based on hardware specs and included features (i.e. the camera & remote for example), the basic software included (which stand-alone in the PC world costs quite a bit, and is often not as functional). I’ve got more than a few friends right now considering such a beast because of GarageBand and the other iLife features. Most of the musicians I know love these things, as it’s an easy way to do music right out of the box. You don’t have to buy any additional software. Windows, you have to find/buy tons of software immediately after purchasing such a system.

    Anyways, I’d give it a month or so before purchasing, let people produce the updates, patches, etc. to get things working on these new laptops, especially office/Virtual PC

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  72. There’ll probably be a MacBook outsoon (i.e. not a “Pro”) to replace the iBook range. Tell him to wait and get one of those.

    Tempt someone with a Tablet PC? Hmmm, here son, would you like chocolate cake or a raw onion?

    Come on Robert, get a MacBook Pro and try one out and let us know what you experience. ๐Ÿ™‚

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  73. There’ll probably be a MacBook outsoon (i.e. not a “Pro”) to replace the iBook range. Tell him to wait and get one of those.

    Tempt someone with a Tablet PC? Hmmm, here son, would you like chocolate cake or a raw onion?

    Come on Robert, get a MacBook Pro and try one out and let us know what you experience. ๐Ÿ™‚

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  74. Hello Sir! Lets get some shoes! After that I am going to Cunningham Muffins, to try the Fire Muffin!

    P.S.-Hello Jon,your wierd

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  75. Hello Sir! Lets get some shoes! After that I am going to Cunningham Muffins, to try the Fire Muffin!

    P.S.-Hello Jon,your wierd

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