Alaska employees not posting smart?

Jeremy Pepper notes that Alaska Airlines employees are aledgedly posting nasty comments in that guy-who-experienced-airplane-decompression-and-wrote-about-it’s blog. I say aledgedly because I’m still not sure an Alaska Airlines employee wrote those comments (it does look like it, though, which presents a PR problem either way).

Pepper renews his stance that companies should have a blogging policy.

Personally, if I were in charge of Alaska I’d publicly reprimand these employees and force them to go through PR training.

Huh? A blogger saying to reprimand employees for mouthing off on the Internet? (I almost recommended firing these employees, but that’d cause Alaska even more bad publicity, so I wouldn’t do that).

Yes.

Again. If you are a company employee you must be professional in your dealings with the public. Even when you think you’re being anonymous. Even when you’re posting on what you think is your own time.

These people were not smart. And, worse of all, they used company equipment to post (if the facts are what they seem).

At Microsoft we have a blogging policy. It’s simply “be smart.” Or, if that isn’t clear enough: “don’t be stupid.”

These comments are clearly covered by this policy.

I highly recommend to our employees to always be transparent about who they work for and to always behave in a way that’ll look great on the front page of the New York Times cause that’s probably where these will end up (they’ve already been in USA Today, among other places).

That’s a major part of being smart when posting on the Internet.

Oh, and if Alaska had a few “real” blogs of their own, we’d be able to see what “real” employees think about this kind of behavior and they might have been able to head this off. Instead, it’s just growing and growing (and getting worse cause Alaska doesn’t seem like they are doing anything about it).

Aside, but since we’re talking about Alaska Airlines. Why does Alaska put religious literature on my meal plate everytime I fly? I thought they were a public company? Is that something a public company should do? I can understand a private company like In-N-Out doing that (they put bible verse identifiers underneath their softdrink cups) but I think it’s inappropriate for Alaska to do, especially since Alaska isn’t profitable — they should take the printing costs and try to reduce their budget deficits. My own opinion, of course.

77 thoughts on “Alaska employees not posting smart?

  1. “Microsoft evangelist wants religion removed from all public companies.” Makes a great headline. That’ll help your company. Time for a Microsoft boycott?

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  2. “Microsoft evangelist wants religion removed from all public companies.” Makes a great headline. That’ll help your company. Time for a Microsoft boycott?

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  3. I wasn’t referring to you, I was mostly referring to the Alaska Airlines folks who posted on that guy’s blog without identifying themselves.

    So, I take it that you think a public company should spend its shareholders’ money on religious literature to hand out to its customers? Interesting opinion.

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  4. I wasn’t referring to you, I was mostly referring to the Alaska Airlines folks who posted on that guy’s blog without identifying themselves.

    So, I take it that you think a public company should spend its shareholders’ money on religious literature to hand out to its customers? Interesting opinion.

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  5. Not to mention that it’s my personal opinion and probably does not match that of my employer. As disclosed in the post above pretty clearly.

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  6. Not to mention that it’s my personal opinion and probably does not match that of my employer. As disclosed in the post above pretty clearly.

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  7. A public company is pretty free to invest in ways that seems suitable to it, and its customers, employees, or investors are free to react to those choices (as I personally have done in the past as part of each of those categories). From where does the idea even arrive that public companies should not do anything at all which is religious, or religiously motivated? If Alaska Airlines policies cause personal discomfort for you, then either buckle up and live with it, or fly some other airline. Should society somehow be changed so that everyone in a public place should never be upset by something they see or experience? Would such a society survive long?

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  8. A public company is pretty free to invest in ways that seems suitable to it, and its customers, employees, or investors are free to react to those choices (as I personally have done in the past as part of each of those categories). From where does the idea even arrive that public companies should not do anything at all which is religious, or religiously motivated? If Alaska Airlines policies cause personal discomfort for you, then either buckle up and live with it, or fly some other airline. Should society somehow be changed so that everyone in a public place should never be upset by something they see or experience? Would such a society survive long?

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  9. Paul: they are spending money on something that is not essential to their product and that may piss off a pretty significant portion of their customer base. Doesn’t seem like something that’s very shareholder friendly to me. Especially for an airline that’s losing money. But, they have deeper problems than that since they have employees going around leaving anonymous postings on blogs that are far more distasteful than some cards with religious sayings on them.

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  10. Paul: they are spending money on something that is not essential to their product and that may piss off a pretty significant portion of their customer base. Doesn’t seem like something that’s very shareholder friendly to me. Especially for an airline that’s losing money. But, they have deeper problems than that since they have employees going around leaving anonymous postings on blogs that are far more distasteful than some cards with religious sayings on them.

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  11. I haven’t a clue whether their literature policy overall helps Alaska Airlines financially or not, or whether it helps the morale of their employees or passengers, or whether their shareholders are happy or not with the policy — and neither do you. Real data about something like that is hard to come by. Though if it were to upset a large number of their passengers, I expect they would have already adapted accordingly. And we seem to be moving away from the issue I raised about the fact that it was *religious* literature that you wanted to be removed. You didn’t raise one of the other innumerable ways in which airlines can save money — many of which would surely save vastly more money than the pennies spent on meal-time literature. It surely sounded like the issue was removing religion from public companies.

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  12. I haven’t a clue whether their literature policy overall helps Alaska Airlines financially or not, or whether it helps the morale of their employees or passengers, or whether their shareholders are happy or not with the policy — and neither do you. Real data about something like that is hard to come by. Though if it were to upset a large number of their passengers, I expect they would have already adapted accordingly. And we seem to be moving away from the issue I raised about the fact that it was *religious* literature that you wanted to be removed. You didn’t raise one of the other innumerable ways in which airlines can save money — many of which would surely save vastly more money than the pennies spent on meal-time literature. It surely sounded like the issue was removing religion from public companies.

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  13. The fact that we’re debating it shows it’s a hot-button issue. Obviously they think that putting such a card on meal trays will increase business. So do you, I guess.

    To me it’s just an indication of an expense that doesn’t increase the service’s satisfaction rating (certainly doesn’t help when your plane undergoes rapid depressurization) and because it is something that potentially could make quite a few customers mad (after all, these were Christian passages and I’m sure there’s more than a few Muslim, Buddhist, and Athiest passengers, among other non-Christian religions).

    I seriously doubt it’d help their business out, but, like you said, it’s a minor expense.

    I will say that I used to fly 20,000+ miles with Alaska and don’t anymore at least in part because of this issue. Southwest Airlines doesn’t force me to look at religious materials so I went with them instead.

    But, there were other reasons as well. Price. Service. On-Time performance. Rudeness by employees. Attention to detail.

    We’ve been flying mostly on Southwest lately and like it a lot better overall.

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  14. The fact that we’re debating it shows it’s a hot-button issue. Obviously they think that putting such a card on meal trays will increase business. So do you, I guess.

    To me it’s just an indication of an expense that doesn’t increase the service’s satisfaction rating (certainly doesn’t help when your plane undergoes rapid depressurization) and because it is something that potentially could make quite a few customers mad (after all, these were Christian passages and I’m sure there’s more than a few Muslim, Buddhist, and Athiest passengers, among other non-Christian religions).

    I seriously doubt it’d help their business out, but, like you said, it’s a minor expense.

    I will say that I used to fly 20,000+ miles with Alaska and don’t anymore at least in part because of this issue. Southwest Airlines doesn’t force me to look at religious materials so I went with them instead.

    But, there were other reasons as well. Price. Service. On-Time performance. Rudeness by employees. Attention to detail.

    We’ve been flying mostly on Southwest lately and like it a lot better overall.

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  15. No, I have no idea if the policy helps Alaskan Airlines business. It’s quite possible it’s not significant to them that it helps their financial situation, or even that it gets them the maximum number of passengers possible. And you’re dealing with your own situation as you see fit, and that’s entirely appropriate. Though I still have little idea why the fact that they are a publicly traded company is of significance, or why their financial situation should be the bottom dollar in any consideration. Businesses run to make some complicated mixture of employees, customers and shareholders *happy*, and money is only one of the ways to do this, and perhaps much less important than it may appear.

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  16. No, I have no idea if the policy helps Alaskan Airlines business. It’s quite possible it’s not significant to them that it helps their financial situation, or even that it gets them the maximum number of passengers possible. And you’re dealing with your own situation as you see fit, and that’s entirely appropriate. Though I still have little idea why the fact that they are a publicly traded company is of significance, or why their financial situation should be the bottom dollar in any consideration. Businesses run to make some complicated mixture of employees, customers and shareholders *happy*, and money is only one of the ways to do this, and perhaps much less important than it may appear.

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  17. So Robert, is it wise to publicly adopt a “kick ’em while they’re down” policy? Especially on the religious issue, given your condescending attitude toward religious people as “Great Turtle in the Sky worshippers?”

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  18. So Robert, is it wise to publicly adopt a “kick ’em while they’re down” policy? Especially on the religious issue, given your condescending attitude toward religious people as “Great Turtle in the Sky worshippers?”

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  19. Ahhh, the blogger drive-by-shooting-hit-squads have found a new target, eh? First Kryptonite and now Alaska Airlines; always need a new Devil.

    As as far as the “religious literature” goes, a public company can do damn well what it pleases (public companies are still the private sector, you know), but it has to answer to customers and shareholders. Most hotels slap Gideon Bibles in desk drawers, gonna bitch about that? Free country, don’t like the “literature” policy, don’t fly the airline. If enough people, do that, they’d they be wise to change policies.

    And even in governmental arena, the free exercise clause and the establishment clause has taken a leap and given way to wholesale religious eradication. And the ‘separtists’ have to take an extra-Constititional grand leap to the Danbury Baptist letter for any sort of “support”. But this is opening up a whole big can of worms, 50+ year old arguments.

    you must be professional in your dealings with the public

    Pot, meet Kettle. So I guess the BOA/BML hoax and temper-tantrum calls to fire people because they don’t use RSS, and all the petty mudslings over Apple and lots of other topics, and blog body-slamming Elizabeth Montalbano, qualifies as professional? Forget not, the whole CHARM of the blog is that you are NOT professional. 😉

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  20. Ahhh, the blogger drive-by-shooting-hit-squads have found a new target, eh? First Kryptonite and now Alaska Airlines; always need a new Devil.

    As as far as the “religious literature” goes, a public company can do damn well what it pleases (public companies are still the private sector, you know), but it has to answer to customers and shareholders. Most hotels slap Gideon Bibles in desk drawers, gonna bitch about that? Free country, don’t like the “literature” policy, don’t fly the airline. If enough people, do that, they’d they be wise to change policies.

    And even in governmental arena, the free exercise clause and the establishment clause has taken a leap and given way to wholesale religious eradication. And the ‘separtists’ have to take an extra-Constititional grand leap to the Danbury Baptist letter for any sort of “support”. But this is opening up a whole big can of worms, 50+ year old arguments.

    you must be professional in your dealings with the public

    Pot, meet Kettle. So I guess the BOA/BML hoax and temper-tantrum calls to fire people because they don’t use RSS, and all the petty mudslings over Apple and lots of other topics, and blog body-slamming Elizabeth Montalbano, qualifies as professional? Forget not, the whole CHARM of the blog is that you are NOT professional. 😉

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  21. This country was founded by men that believed faith to be a personal matter, not a public one, as the American Taliban might have us believe. I’m proud that Scoble has taken a PERSONAL stand against yet another slap in the face to those who hold the basic tenets of our country to be true. He’s a pretty influential guy at this point 😉 and hopefully this can start the ball rolling back towards our country instead of their church.

    BTW… Alaska is trying to recover the costs of printing religious literature for their passengers pleasure while losing money.

    It’s hard not to kick them when they keep falling down right in front of you…

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  22. This country was founded by men that believed faith to be a personal matter, not a public one, as the American Taliban might have us believe. I’m proud that Scoble has taken a PERSONAL stand against yet another slap in the face to those who hold the basic tenets of our country to be true. He’s a pretty influential guy at this point 😉 and hopefully this can start the ball rolling back towards our country instead of their church.

    BTW… Alaska is trying to recover the costs of printing religious literature for their passengers pleasure while losing money.

    It’s hard not to kick them when they keep falling down right in front of you…

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  23. To clarify my link to the article: the whole decompression mess was caused by Alaska Airlines laying off their entire baggage staff and hiring an outsourcing company that trains its staff for 3-7 business days, pays barely above minimum wage, and cannot retain trained staff.

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  24. To clarify my link to the article: the whole decompression mess was caused by Alaska Airlines laying off their entire baggage staff and hiring an outsourcing company that trains its staff for 3-7 business days, pays barely above minimum wage, and cannot retain trained staff.

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  25. Robert’s criticism of those religious slogans is right on. Dave, think about how you’d feel if Alaska had printed slogans belittling religious people as “Great Turtle in the Sky Worshippers.” Get it?

    Everyone gets to choose their religion, but I think it’s in bad taste and generally insensitive to preach to those who have no interest in your decision. I don’t see it as a matter of legal technicalities, I see it as a question of showing respect for diverse perspectives. When I pick an airline for their cheap fare, and they spend some of their money (and my time) bragging to me about their management’s choice of religion, am I supposed to feel respected?

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  26. Robert’s criticism of those religious slogans is right on. Dave, think about how you’d feel if Alaska had printed slogans belittling religious people as “Great Turtle in the Sky Worshippers.” Get it?

    Everyone gets to choose their religion, but I think it’s in bad taste and generally insensitive to preach to those who have no interest in your decision. I don’t see it as a matter of legal technicalities, I see it as a question of showing respect for diverse perspectives. When I pick an airline for their cheap fare, and they spend some of their money (and my time) bragging to me about their management’s choice of religion, am I supposed to feel respected?

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  27. Scoble,
    I’m glad you have chosen to fly elsewhere. That is what you should do if you don’t like the religious material. I am glad to see that Alaska Airlines distributes that material (I was not previously aware of it). It can be very comforting to passengers.

    And Scoble, if the airline is losing money, its not b/c of cards that cost 1/10 of a cent each in bulk, but rather b/c of fat union contracts and gas prices.

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  28. Scoble,
    I’m glad you have chosen to fly elsewhere. That is what you should do if you don’t like the religious material. I am glad to see that Alaska Airlines distributes that material (I was not previously aware of it). It can be very comforting to passengers.

    And Scoble, if the airline is losing money, its not b/c of cards that cost 1/10 of a cent each in bulk, but rather b/c of fat union contracts and gas prices.

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  29. We switched from Alaska to Southwest a while back. I didn’t do this because of religious literature. Alaska was losing money while Southwest was making profits. When a company is losing money they cut services and benefits out. When a company is making money they usually have the resources to take care of their customers better. I rather fly with an airline that is making money, so they have the resources to take better care of me. It’s that simple.

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  30. We switched from Alaska to Southwest a while back. I didn’t do this because of religious literature. Alaska was losing money while Southwest was making profits. When a company is losing money they cut services and benefits out. When a company is making money they usually have the resources to take care of their customers better. I rather fly with an airline that is making money, so they have the resources to take better care of me. It’s that simple.

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  31. Robert, I partly agree with you on this one.

    As an agnostic, I find Alaska Airline’s policy to be annoying and inconsiderate. Also hypocritical, given what we’ve learned about their lack of kindness towards employees.

    Interestingly enough, though, I don’t have quite as much of an issue with In’n’Out Burger printing bible verse numbers on their cups and napkins and such… primarily because they’re known for using quality products, strictly adhering to safety and health policies, and treating their employees with dignity and respect.

    With that said, I don’t have a fundamental problem with public companies introducing religion into their stuff per-se… only when it’s either blatantly obnoxious OR hypocritical or as a substitute for more needed or appropriate efforts.

    Oh, and I completely agree with you about Southwest. It’s gotten to where I’ll actually book my flights out of Oakland (even though I live less than 10 miles from SFO!) just so I can fly Southwest, knowing that I’ll get better treatment and far more on-time flights in both directions.

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  32. Robert, I partly agree with you on this one.

    As an agnostic, I find Alaska Airline’s policy to be annoying and inconsiderate. Also hypocritical, given what we’ve learned about their lack of kindness towards employees.

    Interestingly enough, though, I don’t have quite as much of an issue with In’n’Out Burger printing bible verse numbers on their cups and napkins and such… primarily because they’re known for using quality products, strictly adhering to safety and health policies, and treating their employees with dignity and respect.

    With that said, I don’t have a fundamental problem with public companies introducing religion into their stuff per-se… only when it’s either blatantly obnoxious OR hypocritical or as a substitute for more needed or appropriate efforts.

    Oh, and I completely agree with you about Southwest. It’s gotten to where I’ll actually book my flights out of Oakland (even though I live less than 10 miles from SFO!) just so I can fly Southwest, knowing that I’ll get better treatment and far more on-time flights in both directions.

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  33. Adam: actually, I make the separation for a different reason. In-N-Out is owned by a single family while Alaska is a public corporation. I wonder how many of its shareholders even know that it’s distributing religious literature? But, either way, it’s a minor thing and Alaska has deeper problems to work on first.

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  34. Adam: actually, I make the separation for a different reason. In-N-Out is owned by a single family while Alaska is a public corporation. I wonder how many of its shareholders even know that it’s distributing religious literature? But, either way, it’s a minor thing and Alaska has deeper problems to work on first.

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  35. How do you reconcile this position of your with the way you recently made a complete ass of yourself on Chuq Von Ruspach’s blog?

    Just wondering…

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  36. How do you reconcile this position of your with the way you recently made a complete ass of yourself on Chuq Von Ruspach’s blog?

    Just wondering…

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  37. I totally support Scoble in his statements on this issue.

    It’s absurd that a public company would try to promote Christianity in the course of its operations. In addition to pissing people off, it’s just plain unprofessional.

    The religious right in this country need to understand that neatrality is not “anti-christian”. Get over yourselves.

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  38. I totally support Scoble in his statements on this issue.

    It’s absurd that a public company would try to promote Christianity in the course of its operations. In addition to pissing people off, it’s just plain unprofessional.

    The religious right in this country need to understand that neatrality is not “anti-christian”. Get over yourselves.

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  39. Hi
    The proper safety practices are not being followed by microsoft vendors and contractors! IF you ask your vendors or contractors they will give microsoft lip service and say yes will have safe policies in place and we are in compliance. Yet a lot of the they employees are not following these procedures for years and this places lives and property at risk!They say they are exempt from this ,because get it done now and make tehmselves look good for microsoft while in reality they are now violating OSHA(US GOVERNMENT) WISHA (WASHINGTON STATE LABOR AND INDUSTRIES) regulations and thier own polices in place. Robert can you let the upper guys at microsoft know about this and do a internal audit to catch these culprits are doing these very unsafe practices. Apparently Microsoft relys on thier own vendors to police themselves big mistake especially if someone get seriously injured or causes big damage to microsoft property. Apparently then and only will someone step to place the blame somewhere !
    I sure Bill does not want microsft a risk or liable for these very unsafe practices.No memo will not resolve anything. They will just blow everything off and go about thier undsafe practices when the heat blows over.
    I hope you take action on this and submit this through the channel high enough up the microsoft ladder to get this fixed.

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  40. Hi
    The proper safety practices are not being followed by microsoft vendors and contractors! IF you ask your vendors or contractors they will give microsoft lip service and say yes will have safe policies in place and we are in compliance. Yet a lot of the they employees are not following these procedures for years and this places lives and property at risk!They say they are exempt from this ,because get it done now and make tehmselves look good for microsoft while in reality they are now violating OSHA(US GOVERNMENT) WISHA (WASHINGTON STATE LABOR AND INDUSTRIES) regulations and thier own polices in place. Robert can you let the upper guys at microsoft know about this and do a internal audit to catch these culprits are doing these very unsafe practices. Apparently Microsoft relys on thier own vendors to police themselves big mistake especially if someone get seriously injured or causes big damage to microsoft property. Apparently then and only will someone step to place the blame somewhere !
    I sure Bill does not want microsft a risk or liable for these very unsafe practices.No memo will not resolve anything. They will just blow everything off and go about thier undsafe practices when the heat blows over.
    I hope you take action on this and submit this through the channel high enough up the microsoft ladder to get this fixed.

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  41. Another side to the story…
    http://journalism.wordpress.com/2006/01/07/more-on-alaska-airlines-blogging/

    Alaska Does Make a Profit
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9764342/from/RL.2/
    “Alaska Air Group Inc., parent of Alaska Airlines, also reported better than forecast earnings on Thursday, and like Southwest, it benefited from fuel hedges.

    Alaska Air’s third-quarter earnings rose to $90.2 million, from $74.0 million. Earnings per share were $2.71, beating a $2.12 per share forecast from Reuters Estimates”

    Alaska Has Open Communication via AlaskasWorld.Com
    http://www.alaskasworld.com/ (although blogging would be better)

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  42. Another side to the story…
    http://journalism.wordpress.com/2006/01/07/more-on-alaska-airlines-blogging/

    Alaska Does Make a Profit
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9764342/from/RL.2/
    “Alaska Air Group Inc., parent of Alaska Airlines, also reported better than forecast earnings on Thursday, and like Southwest, it benefited from fuel hedges.

    Alaska Air’s third-quarter earnings rose to $90.2 million, from $74.0 million. Earnings per share were $2.71, beating a $2.12 per share forecast from Reuters Estimates”

    Alaska Has Open Communication via AlaskasWorld.Com
    http://www.alaskasworld.com/ (although blogging would be better)

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    a moment, the boy have all the hallmarksed to drain of the devices, and sat up on the style in a huff, mollify looking away from us. Heather, in a flash vexed, pressed up against him, her breasts wellnigh done withflowing her blouse, now on the brink of smacky open. At chief, he would not be consoled; then he relented, and began to smooch her. How sustained would it be first he tried again, I wondered, but the maid had absolute to try a distinctive ruse; as he held her with one arm, he began to unsnap and unzip his jeans with his let out together. With incredible cunning, and without relinquishing the relinquish, he opened his fly and pulled his jeans down condign a mean.
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    a moment, the boy feeled to drain of the recreation, and sat up on the siamoise in a huff, stationary looking away from us. Heather, a moment vexed, pressed up against him, her breasts wellnigh pastflowing her blouse, now on the brink of richy open. At chief, he would not be consoled; then he relented, and began to relinquish her. How sustained would it be first he tried again, I wondered, but the maid had solid to try a personal ruse; as he held her with one arm, he began to unsnap and unzip his jeans with his generous close by. With incredible sharpness, and without relinquishing the smooch, he opened his fly and pulled his jeans down condign a hardly ever.
    not
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    unbiased a trifling–but enough. The genital teasing that he had been subjected to, had postulated him an tremendous erection, which sprung generous impressing both of us. even without breaking the smooch, he took Heather’s close by and wrapped it softly all his cock. After a few moments, she withdrew her close by; then, she slowly needy the desert and gazed down, delusive, at his erection. Slowly, on her own, she reached for it, stroked it lovingly, caressed its extent with hypnotic influence.
    Heather’s playmate moaned softly; and slowly, gently, but inexorably, began to onslaught her master toward his lap. We exchanged passionate glances; it was prominent what he wanted. We condign about gasped out showy as Heather began to lovingly desert the side of smooch cock, as he moaned in unwonted entertainment. She began to lick the extent of his cock with sustained strokes, visiblely apprised of–and enjoying–the any way you look at it become operative she was having on her partner. Her red mistake danced slowly up and down his out hole, teasing him,
    unleashing his passion. speedily, boldly, she encircled the command of his cock with her drizzly, rich lips. The greatness of the unexpected entertainment sounded to be too much for her bird to suffer; holding her master down on him, he shoulder wildly with his hips, driving his upright Neptune’s into her mouth. Not surprisingly, she gagged. At the yet organize, we gasped and they heard us.
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    Although we made a universal amount of clangour driving up to the put up and walking in, neither Heather nor her boygirl, duplicity on the style in a choleric incorporate, have all the hallmarksed to comment as we entered the living room. We hesitated. Then you placed a interfere in on your lips, motioning me to be calm; and we both insouciant, predilection mildly against the doorframe, enjoying the entertainment.
    Both Heather and her chaperone (who was unsung to us) were richy clothed, but the lower than drunk age man was annoying to make up for the situation. He slipped his part stomach her blouse, which was already half unbuttoned; she moaned softly, but slowly, reluctantly, pulled his part away. He slowly reached in again, devastation one more button; be rged more slowly, she removed his part again. Like a stuck track , the duplicate motions were repeated past and past.
    a moment, the boy have all the hallmarksed to drain of the devices, and sat up on the style in a huff, mollify looking away from us. Heather, in a flash vexed, pressed up against him, her breasts wellnigh done withflowing her blouse, now on the brink of smacky open. At chief, he would not be consoled; then he relented, and began to smooch her. How sustained would it be first he tried again, I wondered, but the maid had absolute to try a distinctive ruse; as he held her with one arm, he began to unsnap and unzip his jeans with his let out together. With incredible cunning, and without relinquishing the relinquish, he opened his fly and pulled his jeans down condign a mean.
    http://www.fotofap.com/pthumbs/small/39972/1.jpg http://www.fotofap.com/pthumbs/small/39973/2.jpg
    a moment, the boy feeled to drain of the recreation, and sat up on the siamoise in a huff, stationary looking away from us. Heather, a moment vexed, pressed up against him, her breasts wellnigh pastflowing her blouse, now on the brink of richy open. At chief, he would not be consoled; then he relented, and began to relinquish her. How sustained would it be first he tried again, I wondered, but the maid had solid to try a personal ruse; as he held her with one arm, he began to unsnap and unzip his jeans with his generous close by. With incredible sharpness, and without relinquishing the smooch, he opened his fly and pulled his jeans down condign a hardly ever.
    not
    http://www.fotofap.com/pthumbs/small/39974/3.jpg http://www.fotofap.com/pthumbs/small/39975/4.jpg
    unbiased a trifling–but enough. The genital teasing that he had been subjected to, had postulated him an tremendous erection, which sprung generous impressing both of us. even without breaking the smooch, he took Heather’s close by and wrapped it softly all his cock. After a few moments, she withdrew her close by; then, she slowly needy the desert and gazed down, delusive, at his erection. Slowly, on her own, she reached for it, stroked it lovingly, caressed its extent with hypnotic influence.
    Heather’s playmate moaned softly; and slowly, gently, but inexorably, began to onslaught her master toward his lap. We exchanged passionate glances; it was prominent what he wanted. We condign about gasped out showy as Heather began to lovingly desert the side of smooch cock, as he moaned in unwonted entertainment. She began to lick the extent of his cock with sustained strokes, visiblely apprised of–and enjoying–the any way you look at it become operative she was having on her partner. Her red mistake danced slowly up and down his out hole, teasing him,
    unleashing his passion. speedily, boldly, she encircled the command of his cock with her drizzly, rich lips. The greatness of the unexpected entertainment sounded to be too much for her bird to suffer; holding her master down on him, he shoulder wildly with his hips, driving his upright Neptune’s into her mouth. Not surprisingly, she gagged. At the yet organize, we gasped and they heard us.
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