Whew, everyone seems to want to do a Web Conference in March. There’s SXSW. There’s O’Reilly’s ETech. And now Microsoft enters in with Mix 06.
I’m speaking at SXSW and I’m helping out on the Mix 06 team.
My first question is “will Bill Gates let us put a back channel up during his keynote?”
After watching the interchange at Les Blogs between Mena and Ben, I’d guess not, but you never know. This isn’t going to be a PDC or a TechED.
So, why do another Web conference?
Well, my trip through Europe punctuated why. I kept meeting businesspeople who had bet their businesses on Microsoft’s Web technologies. From Reuters to L’Oreal to Heineken to dozens of other CTO’s and CEOs that I met who told me they are using Microsoft technologies and wanted a way to learn only about those (since most of the other events are heavily LAMP-focused).
Does anyone else find it ironic that the Microsoft conference is the one with both a blog and an RSS button? Next thing you know Microsoft will be adding tags, making deals with Firefox and getting along with the Web Standards Project, and figuring out how to do great maps and great search. Hmmm.
Anyway, what Web conference are you going to in March? Hope to see you there.
Scobleizer 
I hate to be that guy, but it’s “Heineken”. It’d be nice if you spelled one of my county’s most famous exports correctly. 🙂
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I hate to be that guy, but it’s “Heineken”. It’d be nice if you spelled one of my county’s most famous exports correctly. 🙂
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RE: The backchannel. Not sure what the big deal is. Blogging is the backchannel for consumers to talk about companies, companies to talk back, etc. The backchannel at conferences is the exact same metaphor.
Projecting it onto the screen probably isn’t any better than projecting other people’s blogs onto your website… But having it be available is incredibly powerful.
Besides, people will set one up regardless of whether or not it’s sponsored. Conference organizers and speakers get to participate in official ones though.
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RE: The backchannel. Not sure what the big deal is. Blogging is the backchannel for consumers to talk about companies, companies to talk back, etc. The backchannel at conferences is the exact same metaphor.
Projecting it onto the screen probably isn’t any better than projecting other people’s blogs onto your website… But having it be available is incredibly powerful.
Besides, people will set one up regardless of whether or not it’s sponsored. Conference organizers and speakers get to participate in official ones though.
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MIX 06 looks like a marketing event. What is going to make it worth 3 days?
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MIX 06 looks like a marketing event. What is going to make it worth 3 days?
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Microsoft is joining the conversation….cool!
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FSFunky: thanks for correcting me. That’s the second time I’ve done that, too. I’m just so used to putting a “C” before “K’s.”
Alfred: we’re bringing out the top geeks from the IE, IIS, Atlas, and other teams.
If you’re building Web sites on our stuff this will be the place you’ll get in-depth info on those.
Actually, if you want frothy panel discussions, the other two conferences are better.
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Microsoft is joining the conversation….cool!
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FSFunky: thanks for correcting me. That’s the second time I’ve done that, too. I’m just so used to putting a “C” before “K’s.”
Alfred: we’re bringing out the top geeks from the IE, IIS, Atlas, and other teams.
If you’re building Web sites on our stuff this will be the place you’ll get in-depth info on those.
Actually, if you want frothy panel discussions, the other two conferences are better.
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>Besides, people will set one up regardless of whether or not it’s sponsored
Jeremy: Oh, we’ll definitely have a backchannel going. It’s just whether or not to project it. I personally like having a backchannel projected during my talks. But, I like having conversations and this is a new way to do it.
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>Besides, people will set one up regardless of whether or not it’s sponsored
Jeremy: Oh, we’ll definitely have a backchannel going. It’s just whether or not to project it. I personally like having a backchannel projected during my talks. But, I like having conversations and this is a new way to do it.
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I love the notion that SXSW is a web conference. Last I checked it was a music conference primarily that develoepd an offshoot film / interactive media festival at the same time. Yes, lots of web geeks, but to pretend your fluffy conference compares with SXSW which has had huge impact in numerous fields for many years is absurd.
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I love the notion that SXSW is a web conference. Last I checked it was a music conference primarily that develoepd an offshoot film / interactive media festival at the same time. Yes, lots of web geeks, but to pretend your fluffy conference compares with SXSW which has had huge impact in numerous fields for many years is absurd.
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And who gives a FCK about your silly blog and RSS link?!! The site, remember the WHOLE thing, the SITE, is ONE FREAKIN page with no info!!!
Wow, a blog with one entry and a feed of that one entry!!! Exciting, compelling, it must be the best web conference.
But wait…. Who’s speaking? What are the conferences? What are the events planned? Is there a complete schedule? A registry of attendees? Brochures? Stories from past events?
…. Naw, we got an RSS feed and a blog though.
And this is why Scoble believing is own bullsh!t is just a bunch of bullsh!t. RSS and blogs aren’t mandatory. If you make them mandatory, they are likely to be crap. If you focus on them, you are likely to ignore important stuff that can easily be dealt with with a standard web site.
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And who gives a FCK about your silly blog and RSS link?!! The site, remember the WHOLE thing, the SITE, is ONE FREAKIN page with no info!!!
Wow, a blog with one entry and a feed of that one entry!!! Exciting, compelling, it must be the best web conference.
But wait…. Who’s speaking? What are the conferences? What are the events planned? Is there a complete schedule? A registry of attendees? Brochures? Stories from past events?
…. Naw, we got an RSS feed and a blog though.
And this is why Scoble believing is own bullsh!t is just a bunch of bullsh!t. RSS and blogs aren’t mandatory. If you make them mandatory, they are likely to be crap. If you focus on them, you are likely to ignore important stuff that can easily be dealt with with a standard web site.
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Goebbels: you can always be counted on for an interesting comment, that’s for sure!
When I said SXSW I was speaking about the interactive conference. Obviously Etech doesn’t compete with the music conference or the movie conference. I guess I need to spell things out explicitly for some of you. Geesh.
As to blog and RSS feed. Those are largely seen as the modern way to do marketing today. Don’t believe me? Ask around. Anyway, it’s just funny that the stodgy old Microsoft is using them.
And, the RSS feed is a promise that there’ll be more info soon. We just announced it today. That doesn’t mean we’ll have all of our content up today.
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Goebbels: you can always be counted on for an interesting comment, that’s for sure!
When I said SXSW I was speaking about the interactive conference. Obviously Etech doesn’t compete with the music conference or the movie conference. I guess I need to spell things out explicitly for some of you. Geesh.
As to blog and RSS feed. Those are largely seen as the modern way to do marketing today. Don’t believe me? Ask around. Anyway, it’s just funny that the stodgy old Microsoft is using them.
And, the RSS feed is a promise that there’ll be more info soon. We just announced it today. That doesn’t mean we’ll have all of our content up today.
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“When I said SXSW I was speaking about the interactive conference. Obviously Etech doesn’t compete with the music conference or the movie conference. I guess I need to spell things out explicitly for some of you. Geesh.”
And my point was you came up with a lame and poorly veiled attempt to pitch your own lame conference by mentioning 2 very good ones. Geesh. You’ve got to smack people in the face a couple of times before they get it.
“Those are largely seen as the modern way to do marketing today.”
Blah, blah, blah… Does that mean you abandon everything else like a conference schedule? Does that mean you don’t need any content for a web site. Just a silly orange icon and you’re good? Come on, get with it.
“Don’t believe me? Ask around. Anyway, it’s just funny that the stodgy old Microsoft is using them.”
Blah, blah, blah… It’s not ironic or funny. You’re just tooting your own horn and it’s pathetic. Your wonderful blog and RSS link deliver NOTHING!!!! And it’s pathetic to say that having them is important when they contain NOTHING.
“And, the RSS feed is a promise that there’ll be more info soon.”
Everything you guys do these days from conferences, to statements, to internal emails, to web sites, to PR, to financial statements, to actual application releases and bug fixes, and schedules of products you aren’t delivering is “a promise that there’ll be more info soon.” It doesn’t take RSS for that. (Get up to date reminders that we have nothing but will deliver something someday directly and instantaneously to your web feeder! Great.)
“That doesn’t mean we’ll have all of our content up today.”
Because you guys do lousy, pathetic launches. I know. That’s my criticism. Who the FCK spends a grand to register for an event that they do not know what is going to be discussed, who is going to do the discussing, etc… So… couldn’t some genius have put up a basic schedule or a speaker or two on the PAGE before putting a registration form? Naw, we’ll take your money first, promise something later, and reveal nothing. That’s how we do it.
Great. It sucks and an RSS feed doesn’t impress anyone but the deluded feed freaks.
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“When I said SXSW I was speaking about the interactive conference. Obviously Etech doesn’t compete with the music conference or the movie conference. I guess I need to spell things out explicitly for some of you. Geesh.”
And my point was you came up with a lame and poorly veiled attempt to pitch your own lame conference by mentioning 2 very good ones. Geesh. You’ve got to smack people in the face a couple of times before they get it.
“Those are largely seen as the modern way to do marketing today.”
Blah, blah, blah… Does that mean you abandon everything else like a conference schedule? Does that mean you don’t need any content for a web site. Just a silly orange icon and you’re good? Come on, get with it.
“Don’t believe me? Ask around. Anyway, it’s just funny that the stodgy old Microsoft is using them.”
Blah, blah, blah… It’s not ironic or funny. You’re just tooting your own horn and it’s pathetic. Your wonderful blog and RSS link deliver NOTHING!!!! And it’s pathetic to say that having them is important when they contain NOTHING.
“And, the RSS feed is a promise that there’ll be more info soon.”
Everything you guys do these days from conferences, to statements, to internal emails, to web sites, to PR, to financial statements, to actual application releases and bug fixes, and schedules of products you aren’t delivering is “a promise that there’ll be more info soon.” It doesn’t take RSS for that. (Get up to date reminders that we have nothing but will deliver something someday directly and instantaneously to your web feeder! Great.)
“That doesn’t mean we’ll have all of our content up today.”
Because you guys do lousy, pathetic launches. I know. That’s my criticism. Who the FCK spends a grand to register for an event that they do not know what is going to be discussed, who is going to do the discussing, etc… So… couldn’t some genius have put up a basic schedule or a speaker or two on the PAGE before putting a registration form? Naw, we’ll take your money first, promise something later, and reveal nothing. That’s how we do it.
Great. It sucks and an RSS feed doesn’t impress anyone but the deluded feed freaks.
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Pretty ironic for the company that’s done the most damage to the web by eliminating browser choice through illegal anti-competitive behavior while leaving its users stuck with a broken browser to be touting web development.
Pretty rich. What can M$ teach us about the web when their browser is so broken?
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Pretty ironic for the company that’s done the most damage to the web by eliminating browser choice through illegal anti-competitive behavior while leaving its users stuck with a broken browser to be touting web development.
Pretty rich. What can M$ teach us about the web when their browser is so broken?
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I read a blog somewhere where they discussed a company that is reverse engineering the XBOX-360. I wonder if you can start a discussion blog on ways to expand the potential uses of XBOX-360 technology?
Ideas:
1. As a genetic workstation
2. As a “Machimina” studio
3. Shrunk into a mini laptop.
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I read a blog somewhere where they discussed a company that is reverse engineering the XBOX-360. I wonder if you can start a discussion blog on ways to expand the potential uses of XBOX-360 technology?
Ideas:
1. As a genetic workstation
2. As a “Machimina” studio
3. Shrunk into a mini laptop.
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I like this comment from the blog:
Yes, it’s been five long years since we released a new version of Internet Explorer but we’ve reallocated considerable resources to the IE team. In fact, Microsoft is redoubling its commitment to the Web
What’s the redoubling of something that hasn’t been updated in 5 years?
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I like this comment from the blog:
Yes, it’s been five long years since we released a new version of Internet Explorer but we’ve reallocated considerable resources to the IE team. In fact, Microsoft is redoubling its commitment to the Web
What’s the redoubling of something that hasn’t been updated in 5 years?
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“Great. It sucks and an RSS feed doesn’t impress anyone but the deluded feed freaks”
Finally! Someone says what those that live outside the echo chamber and focus on making money think.
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“Great. It sucks and an RSS feed doesn’t impress anyone but the deluded feed freaks”
Finally! Someone says what those that live outside the echo chamber and focus on making money think.
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“From Reuters to L’Oreal to Heineken to dozens of other CTO’s and CEOs that I met who told me they are using Microsoft technologies and wanted a way to learn only about those”
That those companies do use Microsoft technologies does not mean they only use Microsoft technologies. You big fat fucking liar.
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“From Reuters to L’Oreal to Heineken to dozens of other CTO’s and CEOs that I met who told me they are using Microsoft technologies and wanted a way to learn only about those”
That those companies do use Microsoft technologies does not mean they only use Microsoft technologies. You big fat fucking liar.
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“Pretty ironic for the company that’s done the most damage to the web.. . . yawn.. .. Zzzzzzz”
Does anyone else manage to read to the to bottom of these cut-and-paste comments?
YOU CAN’T CHANGE THE PAST GUYS – LOOK TO THE FUTURE
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“Pretty ironic for the company that’s done the most damage to the web.. . . yawn.. .. Zzzzzzz”
Does anyone else manage to read to the to bottom of these cut-and-paste comments?
YOU CAN’T CHANGE THE PAST GUYS – LOOK TO THE FUTURE
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“The Past” Justin? I am referring to the PRESENT.
As I check my server logs TODAY I see MSIE 6 has almost 80% market penetration – vastly more than it deserves based on its quality I assure you. This is down from the over 90% And its OVER 5 YEARS OLD.
That’s the pace of innovation on the web at Microsoft then?
Actions talk, BS walks. Ship a decent browser and we’ll talk about MS’s place on the web. Today it is a pariah and deserves only scorn and shunnery.
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“The Past” Justin? I am referring to the PRESENT.
As I check my server logs TODAY I see MSIE 6 has almost 80% market penetration – vastly more than it deserves based on its quality I assure you. This is down from the over 90% And its OVER 5 YEARS OLD.
That’s the pace of innovation on the web at Microsoft then?
Actions talk, BS walks. Ship a decent browser and we’ll talk about MS’s place on the web. Today it is a pariah and deserves only scorn and shunnery.
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I made to the bottom, but I did skim! For all you apparently don’t have much to do but HATE MS please think about this. Without them none of us in IT would have done as well as we have and much of what has evolved in the past 20+ years would not have happened. None of you must be old enough to remeber the world of IBM!!
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I made to the bottom, but I did skim! For all you apparently don’t have much to do but HATE MS please think about this. Without them none of us in IT would have done as well as we have and much of what has evolved in the past 20+ years would not have happened. None of you must be old enough to remeber the world of IBM!!
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My vote:
Conferences should provide an official backchannel, so everyone at the conference and unable to attend can have the info to log in and aprticipate.
Conference should not project that backchannel behind or next to speakers. As an attendee I find it rude, distracting, uninteresting and not what I came for. Projecting it makes it part of the programming, so unless you publicize that it’s going to be there (so I can be sure to make my decision whether to attend or not with that parameter in mind) you are doing some portion of the people who chose to attend a disservice.
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My vote:
Conferences should provide an official backchannel, so everyone at the conference and unable to attend can have the info to log in and aprticipate.
Conference should not project that backchannel behind or next to speakers. As an attendee I find it rude, distracting, uninteresting and not what I came for. Projecting it makes it part of the programming, so unless you publicize that it’s going to be there (so I can be sure to make my decision whether to attend or not with that parameter in mind) you are doing some portion of the people who chose to attend a disservice.
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“Without them none of us in IT would have done as well as we have and much of what has evolved in the past 20+ years would not have happened.”
Huh? Tom, let me ask you – exactly WHAT innovations of the last 20+ years would not exist if MS wasn’t around?
MS has succeeded immensely in one area – recreating existing technologies in very profitable ways.
The desktop metaphor? Office software? Programming IDEs? OOP implementation?
While they helped “evolve” things, they have not done any more than that.
Here’s a list of things that they were on board from the word go:
(1) SOAP.
(2) ???
Sure, you can add some others maybe – free browser, COM, VB, and a few others – but they all add up to either proprietary items and/or practices that were meant to take over a particular market.
Don’t get me wrong. MS is a business first. No problem there. They also added some much needed things like GUI consistancy (back in the Win3.x days) too. And by building XML natively into .NET they have a very nice platform.
But yes Tom, I am old enough to have worked on IBM and Honeywell architecture. And I never want to return to those days either. Still – crediting MS much for why things have evolved the way they have? NO WAY.
— They were not a player in the evolution of the internet and/or WWW. In the history perhaps. But only because they killed Netscape. Not the evolution.
— They did not produce the first GUI OS. The first word processing app. The first spreadsheet app. The first SQL database.
— In the last three years they’ve just about abandoned the home user. But in terms of running ERP and CRM systems – things needed by the large companies – they are a non-entity.
— Despite major improvements over the last three years, they do get credit for where we are today in one area with the internet: worms and virii. Why? Because they prioritized interoperability over security.
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“Without them none of us in IT would have done as well as we have and much of what has evolved in the past 20+ years would not have happened.”
Huh? Tom, let me ask you – exactly WHAT innovations of the last 20+ years would not exist if MS wasn’t around?
MS has succeeded immensely in one area – recreating existing technologies in very profitable ways.
The desktop metaphor? Office software? Programming IDEs? OOP implementation?
While they helped “evolve” things, they have not done any more than that.
Here’s a list of things that they were on board from the word go:
(1) SOAP.
(2) ???
Sure, you can add some others maybe – free browser, COM, VB, and a few others – but they all add up to either proprietary items and/or practices that were meant to take over a particular market.
Don’t get me wrong. MS is a business first. No problem there. They also added some much needed things like GUI consistancy (back in the Win3.x days) too. And by building XML natively into .NET they have a very nice platform.
But yes Tom, I am old enough to have worked on IBM and Honeywell architecture. And I never want to return to those days either. Still – crediting MS much for why things have evolved the way they have? NO WAY.
— They were not a player in the evolution of the internet and/or WWW. In the history perhaps. But only because they killed Netscape. Not the evolution.
— They did not produce the first GUI OS. The first word processing app. The first spreadsheet app. The first SQL database.
— In the last three years they’ve just about abandoned the home user. But in terms of running ERP and CRM systems – things needed by the large companies – they are a non-entity.
— Despite major improvements over the last three years, they do get credit for where we are today in one area with the internet: worms and virii. Why? Because they prioritized interoperability over security.
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